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Alabeo C404 Titan: Anybody take a chance on it yet?

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It is great if you are OK with that product. I don't use the CTL E very much and have never made an auto landing. I can not compare these guys with PMDG because I have no interest in the big birds. To me the airliners are just a big can of uncomfortable seats and poor service! LOL Yes, I am an "Old Guy" and miss the good ole days. None of this however, changes the fact that Carenado/Alaebo are still pushing trash that don't work wrapped in pretty textures. FSX/P3D are "Flight Simulators" and not "Texture Demonstrators". Supporting this low level of quality is only encourages them.

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It didnt surprise me to hear that the 404 was not that great, but that WAS because the first thing I noticed was that Carenado/Alabeo was still using the same Avidyne EX500 gauge developed from the C90 etc. This gauge is a frame rate hog, especially on terrain mode. Same for the DA42 and the Carenado derived G1000 with terrain. Why the distinction between Alabeo and Carenado anymore---Alabeo used to be the low cost/frame rate friendly version, but no more. Side note, if you want a good DA42, Iris Aviator series is awesome.

 

Now everyone has little bugs on this 404, and that combined with total lack of interest in FPS by the developer, is really turning me off to Alabeo. All the while noticing that the Saratoga TC has excellent frame rates---mainly because they stuck to less glass. However some aircraft they do pay more attention to the textures and efficiency than others!! See the PA46T with all of its glass, and yet it still has decent frames. The inconsistency with this developer drives me nuts.

 

IMO, Ant's and Baytower are the only two GA developers that got it right. I don't have the top of the line PC, but I did buy all my hardware for the sole purpose of FSX, and some planes I get consistent 60 fps (my monitors rate) with the mouse pointer out, and thats which planes I find I fly the most.

 

Also, thanks Bert for chiming in (you don't know me) but your opinion means a lot, when you said you liked the Baytower on a thread, I immediately went and bought it. Your opinion on the C404 checked the box for me on not bothering about this plane. Your knowledge and posts over the years have really been helpful. (I've lurked and lurked, and I've been playing FS since Apple II days, so I've been around.)

 

Finally, why don't more developers go back to regular gauges that can be replaced??? Just like real life, and part of the beauty of FSX was the customization. I don't like certain gauges or transponders/avionics, let me build the cockpit to my likes. Developers should make provisions for this, in whatever way they can maximize looks, function, and efficiency. 

 

Alabeo, once was distinct for its efficient and beautiful and cheaper products, but now it is just Carenado's same old low efficiency (see their TBM and latest crap bizjets on frame rate). Whats the point? Does anyone care about frames anymore??

 

 

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Of all the shortcomings real or imagined I'd have to say performance is one thing they hit the mark on with the Titan, I get great frame rates and it's smooth as glass. The Avidyne thing is completely useless no doubt, I guess I sorta forgot it was even there, lol. Still secretly enjoying the Titan here, 22 hrs on the tach & counting but I promise I've hated every minute of it. :smile:

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Still secretly enjoying the Titan here

 

Ha! As am I. For all it's shortcomings, overall, its a very back to basics type of plane that is easy to enjoy - and I also get perfectly fine FPS performance out of it - isn't funny how this varies so much from setup to setup...

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I've spent my last few C404 hours hand flying patterns at my hometown airport, there's an obstruction (mountain) which means you have to turn base to final about 3/4 mile before touchdown. It's a bit challenging with the Titan because it's heavy and fast, so you really have to get the timing right. Great fun, but I'm still working on that perfect turn where you roll out exactly on rwy centerline with red over white showing on the VASI. I've seen a Gulfstream G2 make that turn and grease the landing in the RW so it should be something I can pull off in the Titan, lol.

 

Still can't see where there's anything wrong with the autopilot but it doesn't work like the autopilots in the default planes. ALT is the equivalent of Ctrl+Z which is "capture current altitude", HDG is the equivalent of Ctrl+H which is "capture current heading". Those are both different commands than ALT & HDG on the default autopilots. The alerter is just that, an alerter and nothing else so you can't set an altitude and expect it to level off there automatically, you have to capture the altitude with the ALT button when you get there. I've never flown anything with an AP in the real world so I can't say if that's realistic or not for this type of aircraft but i suspect it is. I do remember learning about autopilots that capture altitude like this in A&P school but that was 30 yrs ago. :smile:

 

I added a window, though mainly for the DME, but I put the default Bendix/King autopilot on it as well which then works the same in the 404 as it does in the Skyhawk:

 

My window if anyone's interested, I just did away with the knob info window (Shift+7) and replaced it with this new window. If you remove the two slashes before type=special the window will stay open when you switch views.

 

[Window Titles]
Window06=Default Avionics

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-

-

-

[Window06]
BACKGROUND_COLOR=0,0,0
size_mm=348,194
position=0
visible=0
ident=10050

//type=special
windowsize_ratio=1.00
window_pos=0.0088,0.0157
window_size=0.1813,0.1796

gauge00=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio DME,          0,0,348,90
gauge01=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio AP,           0,90,348,104

 

I also have a batch file that makes a "lite" version of N9258Z reducing the exterior textures to 50%, if anyone's interested PM me and I'll get you the batch file, tools, and some instructions. To be honest I didn't see much difference in FSX with the reduced textures but it helped smooth things up a little in P3D I think.

 

Has anyone found an OAT?

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Hmmm. Actually finding this a nice product. Hand flies well, even engine out. Lands nicely too, just a bit sticky at rotation. The AP is okay if you use the pop up - its real location is horrendous if you only use slew in the VC. I have shoehorned the RXP430 in the panel overwriting the Carabeo original - the positioning needs tweaking to get the display to fit and the buttons work, the knobs dont tie up (otherwise they cant be used) but the click points are close enough to be usable. Finding out it uses quite a lot of xml for stuff was a bonus. I have tweaked the annunciator file to get a few things working right like the alt and hyd warnings. My biggest bugbear is actually the 'EGT' gauge which bears no relation to the tooltip value - the gauge scale of 0-500 doesnt correspond to values of 1250!

And I wish they would tie those demist windows in to an FSX exit value so Accufeel could handle the wind/prop noise. Would sound so much better.

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I've spent my last few C404 hours hand flying patterns at my hometown airport, there's an obstruction (mountain) which means you have to turn base to final about 3/4 mile before touchdown. It's a bit challenging with the Titan because it's heavy and fast, so you really have to get the timing right. Great fun, but I'm still working on that perfect turn where you roll out exactly on rwy centerline with red over white showing on the VASI. I've seen a Gulfstream G2 make that turn and grease the landing in the RW so it should be something I can pull off in the Titan, lol.

 

Still can't see where there's anything wrong with the autopilot but it doesn't work like the autopilots in the default planes. ALT is the equivalent of Ctrl+Z which is "capture current altitude", HDG is the equivalent of Ctrl+H which is "capture current heading". Those are both different commands than ALT & HDG on the default autopilots. The alerter is just that, an alerter and nothing else so you can't set an altitude and expect it to level off there automatically, you have to capture the altitude with the ALT button when you get there. I've never flown anything with an AP in the real world so I can't say if that's realistic or not for this type of aircraft but i suspect it is. I do remember learning about autopilots that capture altitude like this in A&P school but that was 30 yrs ago. :smile:

 

I added a window, though mainly for the DME, but I put the default Bendix/King autopilot on it as well which then works the same in the 404 as it does in the Skyhawk:

 

My window if anyone's interested, I just did away with the knob info window (Shift+7) and replaced it with this new window. If you remove the two slashes before type=special the window will stay open when you switch views.

 

[Window Titles]

Window06=Default Avionics

-

-

-

-

[Window06]

BACKGROUND_COLOR=0,0,0

size_mm=348,194

position=0

visible=0

ident=10050

//type=special

windowsize_ratio=1.00

window_pos=0.0088,0.0157

window_size=0.1813,0.1796

 

gauge00=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio DME,          0,0,348,90

gauge01=Bendix_King_Radio!Bendix-King Radio AP,           0,90,348,104

 

I also have a batch file that makes a "lite" version of N9258Z reducing the exterior textures to 50%, if anyone's interested PM me and I'll get you the batch file, tools, and some instructions. To be honest I didn't see much difference in FSX with the reduced textures but it helped smooth things up a little in P3D I think.

 

Has anyone found an OAT?

Thanks for sharing this Mod with us. I do also find this to be a very nice hand flying acft. I was so disappointed that these guys did not take another week or two on the project. It could have been a very popular release for them. I just hate it when guys get so close but don't reach a bit higher. I never know if it is like of experience or just the rush to get more money that seems to always lead Alaebo and Carenado to this point.

 

Any way I have been doing some crash and gos and was thinking of trying to do similar mods on it tomorrow and then I saw your post. Thanks again.

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The AP is okay if you use the pop up - its real location is horrendous.

 

I agree wholeheartedly and I've been using the 2D pop-up all along just to clarify. I did try the pedestal mounted pitch control switches and IIRC I could make it pitch up but not down so something's screwy there for sure.

 

 

Thanks for sharing this Mod with us.

 

You're welcome Sam. :smile:

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It didnt surprise me to hear that the 404 was not that great, but that WAS because the first thing I noticed was that Carenado/Alabeo was still using the same Avidyne EX500 gauge developed from the C90 etc. This gauge is a frame rate hog, especially on terrain mode.

 

Hi guys, 

I like this gauge for it's TAWS capabilities. If it is a frame rate hog, can anyone recommend a different gauge that I could replace it with?

 

Thanks

John

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This is a start up for 402, but should be the same for the 404.

 

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Ok, I think its a cool plane, but it's kinda slow. 75% power, about the same speed as a standard Baron.

 

 

I checked out the Real Engine 1.4 mod, and that looks really cool.. I'll be adding that to allot of AC.. But this plane seems to be able to fly WOT and never gets hot, so the engine specs are no good.

 

Surprisingly little info out on the web for this bird.

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I bought it and took a couple of flights.  Thoughts:

 

  • Flies nice but like an airliner....very heavy controls with a slow roll rate. 
  • Sounds are excellent. 
  • The CHT must be borked...no way it's supposed to be that low.
  • Is the fuel flow also borked?  Precious little info on flying the plane but on the fuel flow gauge there are markers for climb and I can't get my fuel flow up that high.
  • All the switches are there and move, though, some don't do anything more than move.
  • The shaking at shutdown *is* more than a bit much.  Seems like most of the switches work. 

I don't see hardly *any* information on flying it other than the checklist which is light.  No real climb settings guidance.  Anybody have any info?

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I bought it and took a couple of flights.  Thoughts:

  • Flies nice but like an airliner....very heavy controls with a slow roll rate. 
  • Sounds are excellent. 
  • The CHT must be borked...no way it's supposed to be that low.
  • Is the fuel flow also borked?  Precious little info on flying the plane but on the fuel flow gauge there are markers for climb and I can't get my fuel flow up that high.
  • All the switches are there and move, though, some don't do anything more than move.
  • The shaking at shutdown *is* more than a bit much.  Seems like most of the switches work. 
I don't see hardly *any* information on flying it other than the checklist which is light.  No real climb settings guidance.  Anybody have any info?

 

Hi Gregg, there are some pdf files in the c404 folder, ie normal procedures and performance tables.

 

bob

 

just check the cyl temp. got up to 385deg f on the tarmac. fuel flow went up to 184pph (using p3d)

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Hi Gregg, there are some pdf files in the c404 folder, ie normal procedures and performance tables.

bob

just check the cyl temp. got up to 385deg f on the tarmac. fuel flow went up to 184pph (using p3d)

 

Yeah, I was using the PDFs.  When I'm flying CHT is below the green arc.  I'll have to try a departure and climb to see FF again.

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CHT is broken/incorrect. Real Engine 1.4 mod shows a more realistic HT, but thats no help in the VC.

 

 

I parked it.. engine management is awful with faulty gauges.

 

Oh well.

 

Currently switched to the C195

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God, this is so frustrating.  

 

Is there anyone on this forum clever enough to mod the engine management/behavior  to the correct responses/outputs as per the real world?    Is that possible?

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I looked for the gauge... its in the gauge_PAC404.. but there its a gen6 multi gauge. I can't make heads or tails of that mess... but without working knowledge of the true temps, we'd be guessing anyway.

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I looked for the gauge... its in the gauge_PAC404.. but there its a gen6 multi gauge. I can't make heads or tails of that mess... but without working knowledge of the true temps, we'd be guessing anyway.

 

There seems to be enough people here with actual knowledge of the real thing.

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I'm working on learning to use this airplane for a Cape Air virtual airline. Thanks much for all of the tips and observations I've read in the last 10 pages. I'm looking forward to trying the autopilot/DME mod window. I was wondering if anyone has come across a Cape Air repaint for this aircraft?

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I've sent Jim Robinson a message on this but I thought I'd ask the group.

 

I read Jim's post where he added a rather clever bit of code to the Alaebo C404 panel.cfg file to replace the contents of one window with the default Bendix King autopilot and DME. Bravo! Finally, we have the ability to capture an altitude and hold it.

 

I just took a flight with the C404 in the area around Bradley Airport near Windsor Locks, CT. The DME functioned as it should. The Autopilot did fine with heading mode and tracked a GPS course with no problem. The ALT function functioned great. The only problem I had was when I tried the RNAV(GPS) RNY 33 approach into KBDL. I'm using the Flight1 GTN 750 for navigation with the NAV Source Selector on GPS. With the approach loaded and activated, I used the NAV autopilot function to track direct HADUX. When I was inbound direct HADUX, I changed to APR on the autopilot. The glide slop indicators appeared on each side of the HSI with full deflection to the top. As they dropped down, I hoped the autopilot would capture the GS, but the C404 remained level. I noticed that the NAV Source Selector had an ARM on the GPS switch so I tried that but no effect. I used the VSI to defend and complete the approach.

 

I haven't tried an ILS yet so I don't know if will track that GS or not. Have any of you had any success with vertical guidance?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Lantz

A new Cape Air livery was just uploaded to the Avsim library this week, in fact!

Great! I'm off to find it!

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How do these ppl stay in business selling products that don't work and don't support the addons they advertise as supported?

 

Almost just brought a Titan, until I remembered, with Carenado/Alebeo always check them out.  

 

:( - really like the 'idea' of this aircraft.

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Just thought I'd comment that I've been flying the Alabeo C404 Titan for quite a while now and I think it is one of my favorite aircraft. A study sim, it is not. But it does fly well, works very well with the GTN 750, and I find that all autopilot and related navigation functions work just great. It is not without complaints. Engine oil temps rarely climb into the green arc (no cowl flaps) and in my present sim (P3Dv3), CG always appears out of limits toward the aircraft nose. It is a good fit for my VAL (BVARTCC Cape Air). I'd be happy to answer anyone's questions.

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