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Making the move to FSX Soooo... hardware stuff ;)

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Welp being a long time FS9 user I decided I would try and go for FSX. I own the boxed version but decided to go and buy the Steam version of FSX. My current rig runs FSX ok and obliviously AMD processors are a no no for a simulator like FSX. I did however try my hand at X-Plane 10 this past week. I'm quite impressed with it. Runs good on my system but its just lacking in a lot of great quality payware scenery and a weather engine. So I'm going back to FSX. Been doing some searches and stuff and I think I got down what I need to make FSX run better than what it does on my current rig. Trying to keep the cost below $750 :)

My current Rig

GPU: GeForce GTX 650Ti
CPU: AMD Phenom 2 X6 1045T Processor
Memory: 16 GB of Ram
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P Motherboard
Hardrive: Seagate 2TB

Potentials:

 

Option A

Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H LGA 1155 Z77 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Quad Core i7 3770K 3.9 GHz
8 GB of 1600 MHz DDR3 Ram
500 Watt Power Supply or 600 Watt

 

EVGA GeForce GTX 960 4GB 128-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 SLI Support SuperSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card

 

Option B
 

Intel Ivy Bridge Quad Core i5 3570K 3.4 - 3.8GHz Turbo Processor
Gigabyte GA-B75M-HD3 LGA 1155 B75 mATX Intel Motherboard
8 GB of 1333 MHz DDR3 RAM
500 or 600 Watt Power Supply
EVGA GeForce GTX 960 4GB 128-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 SLI Support SuperSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card
 
Option C (Yeah I know its AMD but still...)
 
AMD FX 8350 4.0 GHz (4.2 GHz Turbo) Eight Core
Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 Motherboard
8 GB DDR3
500 or 600 Watt Power Supply
EVGA GeForce GTX 960 4GB 128-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 SLI Support SuperSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card

What do you guys think?
 
 
 

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3770K is a great processor.. B)

 

(that is what I've got installed..)

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3770K is a great processor.. B)

 

(that is what I've got installed..)

 

Hey Bert :)  That's cool. What kind of graphics card do you have? 

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My system is an AMD FX-6200 (3.8 GHz) with a GTX 550 Ti.  It's at the low end of acceptable performance in my opinion, and that's after dialing back the autogen and other eye candy to nominal levels.  Steve's DX10 fixer helped smooth things out at lower frame rates and I'd say it's a must have if you're going to go AMD.

 

The FX-8350 with a GTX 960 might be acceptable if you don't intend to dive into resource demanding 3rd party offerings.  I do OK with RealAir and the Captain Sim L-1011, and the Majestic Q400 works great.  I've got the PMDG NGX and T7 but they're just too taxing on my measly hardware so they don't get used much.

 

I'll put it this way:  I'm looking to get a new computer myself, and AMD is not in the running.

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My system is an AMD FX-6200 (3.8 GHz) with a GTX 550 Ti.  It's at the low end of acceptable performance in my opinion, and that's after dialing back the autogen and other eye candy to nominal levels.  Steve's DX10 fixer helped smooth things out at lower frame rates and I'd say it's a must have if you're going to go AMD.

 

The FX-8350 with a GTX 960 might be acceptable if you don't intend to dive into resource demanding 3rd party offerings.  I do OK with RealAir and the Captain Sim L-1011, and the Majestic Q400 works great.  I've got the PMDG NGX and T7 but they're just too taxing on my measly hardware so they don't get used much.

 

I'll put it this way:  I'm looking to get a new computer myself, and AMD is not in the running.

 

Yeah my AMD rig is good for running other games. Just not so much with FSX and the addons for it. I have the T7, Aerosoft Airbus A321, and few airport addons. I have most of my sliders on the low settings but still get a bit of CPU bottle necking here and there. 

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Same experience here, but other games I play (mostly strategy) aren't terribly demanding on graphics to begin with.

 

In the FSX world, I wouldn't expect the 8350 to change anything substantially since it is so heavily bound to the CPU and doesn't take advantage of multiple cores.

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As a long-time AMD devotee, I'd have to reluctantly say: go with Intel, period.  I was shocked to run FSXMark a few weeks ago, and found that my custom-built AMD FX-6300 desktop got substantially lower scores than my Intel laptop (21.0 vs. 27.8), despite the fact that the desktop is monitor-limited to 1600x900 and, thus, FSX should be at least slightly-less-taxing there than on the 1920x1080 laptop.  FSX runs acceptably in pure stock form, with medium-high settings, but try installing something like ORBX PNW, and frame rates fall into the high-single-digits.

 

Needless to say, I'm looking at a desktop rebuild by autumn (when Skylake comes out, although I may still decide to go with Haswell-E) at the latest.

 

But, for whatever reason, AMD chips and FSX don't play well together, no matter how powerful a given AMD chip may be for other uses.


3770K is a great processor.. B)

 

(that is what I've got installed..)

 

How easily/cheaply available is it nowadays?  Looking at Amazon, I see only one unit availble -- and at $498.99.  :o

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Hey Bert :)  That's cool. What kind of graphics card do you have?

 

GTX 770

As a long-time AMD devotee, I'd have to reluctantly say: go with Intel, period.  I was shocked to run FSXMark a few weeks ago, and found that my custom-built AMD FX-6300 desktop got substantially lower scores than my Intel laptop (21.0 vs. 27.8), despite the fact that the desktop is monitor-limited to 1600x900 and, thus, FSX should be at least slightly-less-taxing there than on the 1920x1080 laptop.  FSX runs acceptably in pure stock form, with medium-high settings, but try installing something like ORBX PNW, and frame rates fall into the high-single-digits.

 

Needless to say, I'm looking at a desktop rebuild by autumn (when Skylake comes out, although I may still decide to go with Haswell-E) at the latest.

 

But, for whatever reason, AMD chips and FSX don't play well together, no matter how powerful a given AMD chip may be for other uses.

 

How easily/cheaply available is it nowadays?  Looking at Amazon, I see only one unit availble -- and at $498.99.  :o

 

 

Most likely, you would buy a 3790K today.   Which is the same processor, just factory overclocked..

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Well that settles it. I'm going to go the Intel route. Like I said earlier in my post, I tried out X-Plane and it runs good on my current rig but payware stuff is just lacking for it and there isn't any PMDG products with them. Thanks for the help guys :)

Edit: I'm assuming I should probably figure in a Solid State Hard Drive? And actually, what are the thoughts on the Intel Gaming PCs over at iBuypower.com? 

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Obviously this way out of the price range that I stated earlier but I don't know... I might go for it :)


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3770K is a great processor.. B)

 

(that is what I've got installed..)

 

Sorry, had a senior moment...

 

I have a Haswell 4770K installed, and today would buy a Haswell 4790K which is a factory overclocked 4770K...  (Intel numbers confusion..)

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Processor speed is very important to FSX performance.  Four or more cores all running at 4Ghz or faster seems to be the sweet spot and Intel CPU's do outperform AMD's when it comes to FSX.

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So, with the potential of buying a PC to run FSX I decided to get the academic version of Prepar3D. For S's and G's I decided to install it on my current rig. Installed a couple of payware sceneries KSAN and KSFO. Installed the Aerosoft A321 which in FSX downgrades my fps. In P3D I've left most of the graphic settings as is. Booted up A321 at KSAN with traffic slider at 50 and road traffic at 27%. Prepar3D is performing a helluva lot better than FSX in the same conditions......................

Although my frame rates aren't smooth like 30 fps smooth I am maintaining between 15 to 24 fps which IS a helluva lot better than what I was getting in FSX...................

I'm literally crossed right now because of this revelation.

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Either way , for maximum enjoyment, you will want a faster system.. fsx or p3d..

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Been reading too that the AMD FX 8350 can run Prepar3D. I'm digging this already ;)

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Been reading too that the AMD FX 8350 can run Prepar3D. I'm digging this already ;)

 

"Can run" in the sense that it doesn't crash when booted up, or "can run" in that it gives good performance?  Any links to this?

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"Can run" in the sense that it doesn't crash when booted up, or "can run" in that it gives good performance?  Any links to this?

This was one of the videos I ran into whilst doing research.

 

Not to mention, a user on facebook advised me to change a setting in my P3D cfg file which was "OPTIMIZED_PARTS=0" change the zero to a one and that should help boost frame rates and I can attest to that. I've gotten better frame rates with settings on medium to high. The only thing I haven't increased was AI airline traffic but at current moment, I am running P3D way better than FSX with my current setup consisting of GeForce GTX 650Ti AMD Phenom 2 X6 1045T Processor. So I'm thinking rather than spending a ton to get a i7 to run FSX, I firmly believe that I can run P3D with addons at great frame rates with a AMD FX 8350.

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This was one of the videos I ran into whilst doing research.

Was there supposed to be a link there? Nothing is showing up for me.

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The phenom 2 has much better Ipc then fx43,63,83,93,95 series.

A video says nothing.

I like amd very nice to overclock , have a LOT of them.

Its nothing to have for fsx p3d even the intel g3258 is approx 20% faster.

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Does that video specify anywhere that it's using P3D?

 

Personally, I found that clip downright weird, in that it seemed that a lot of elements that should be 3D in either P3D or FSX looked 2D instead -- in particular, the wings and the sky before takeoff look more like 2D graphics composited into a video than the real-time capture of FSX/P3D.

 

I also find it curious that, although the poster responded to lots of questions and comments about his hardware, the minute anyone asked about which add-ons he was using, the only response was crickets chirping…

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Does that video specify anywhere that it's using P3D?

 

Personally, I found that clip downright weird, in that it seemed that a lot of elements that should be 3D in either P3D or FSX looked 2D instead -- in particular, the wings and the sky before takeoff look more like 2D graphics composited into a video than the real-time capture of FSX/P3D.

 

I also find it curious that, although the poster responded to lots of questions and comments about his hardware, the minute anyone asked about which add-ons he was using, the only response was crickets chirping…

 

Ya now after watching that video a few times, the scenery stuff does look kinda low quality. Hmmm.... gotta rethink this stuff.

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Wait. Don't buy anything right now. Be patient.

 

Intel will be releasing their all new processor and motherboard standard on the 17th of August. It's the Skylake line. It brings about a new motherboard design, LGA-1151, as opposed to today's LGA-1150. This means anything you buy right now will not be compatible with the new and shiny motherboards/processors of tomorrow.

 

Even if you can't afford the new processor and motherboard, waiting until the end of August should net you significant savings with price drops on the "old" range.

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Agreed -- right now, my computer is in desperate need of a rebuild/upgrade, but I'm holding out until Skylake comes out and the first FSXMark11 scores come out. If they're a significant improvement, I'll go with a 6700K and LGA1151 motherboard, if not, I'll go with a 4970K and LGA1150. In the meantime, I'll stick with my current FX-6300 and run FSX stock without add-ons, which still gives acceptable FPS.

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Yep. Already budgeted $1000-ish to spend on a new motherboard and processor, just waiting like a hawk now.

 

Also going to have funds available next month for a 980Ti. Planned to go with a Titan X but I simply have no use for the additional VRAM, since I run at 1080p. The second one will follow if P3D really follows up on its SLI profile and gives better scaling.

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