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I'm trying to.  I'm waiting on support for flight plan loading.

 

Essentially looks like PFE, but without the cumbersome converting of flightplans PFE had.

 

I'll let you know once the FP problem is sorted out.  Probably some kind of formatting error because I use PFPX to generate the plans.

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I have been a long time user of the previous incarnation PFE, and was a beta tester of the PF3 released today.

 

PFE was great and PF3 is even better, with many new features. It is a stand alone program now so no need to run the Proflight2000 and PFE programs together.

 

Give the trial version a go.

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I have been a long time user of the previous incarnation PFE, and was a beta tester of the PF3 released today.

 

PFE was great and PF3 is even better, with many new features. It is a stand alone program now so no need to run the Proflight2000 and PFE programs together.

 

Give the trial version a go.

 

Hi Pete can you give a dummy a quick tutorial as I cant get it to work I loaded a short flight .pln and hit connect but nothing happens would appreciate it - thanks

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Interesting. I liked PFE once it was working but hated the many steps/tweaking needed to get in the air. Looks like much of that might not be an issue with this? Nice to see that the voicepacks i bought for pfe should work with this.

I noticed it says the atc sectors have been reworked, can anyone confirm if Toronto Centre is now called as such rather than being called Edmonton Centre?

Doesn't look like there's navigraph support?

All in all looks very interesting, i'll definetely check out the demo.

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Wow.

Just checked out the feature list and it looks incredible. I'd like to know more about the voice side of things as I use voxatc but also use proatc X sometimes. This sounds like it might be the best of both, can't wait to try it over the weekend. If it does everything promised and is navigraph updatable then it might be the perfect atc solution.

 

Chris

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Hi Pete can you give a dummy a quick tutorial as I cant get it to work I loaded a short flight .pln and hit connect but nothing happens would appreciate it - thanks

 

I believe the demo version will only accept a plan less than 200 nm ? Is that the issue ?

Interesting. I like PFE once it was workijg but hated the many steps/tweaking needed to get in the air. Looks like much of that might not be an issue with this? Nice to see that the voicepacks i bought for pfe should work with this.

 

I noticed it says the atc sectors have been reworked, can anyone confirm if Toronto Centre is now called as such rather than being called Edmonton Centre?

 

Doesn't look like there's navigraph support?

 

All in all looks very interesting, i'll definetely check out the demo.

 

Yep stand alone program now

 

Edmonton is now by default called Toronto I believe. If there are any areas where a centre name is no longer used you have the facility in PF3 to change that name to another.

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I believe the demo version will only accept a plan less than 200 nm ? Is that the issue ?

 

 

Nope it is a short flight - just added my runways file - but I guess its because I didnt use key commands to talk to pf3 - try again but not feeling comfy lol

 

Do I have to load a flight plan in PF3 and P3D ?

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I've been a long time user of PFE and have gone back to it since VOX does not support P3Dv3. I wasn't aware that there was a new version in the works. Oh well, it's only money.

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Nope it is a short flight - just added my runways file - but I guess its because I didnt use key commands to talk to pf3 - try again but not feeling comfy lol

 

Do I have to load a flight plan in PF3 and P3D ?

 

After installing the program, update the database, then load your flightplan. No need to load the plan in P3d, just load it in PF3. Turn the P3D atc voice off so you only hear the atc voices from PF3. Connect to FS and press "0" to contact clearance delivery (or ground/tower). You will need to set the correct frequency in your radio first. In FS9/FSX a box pops up to tell you the initial frequency, but I am pretty sure this does not happen with P3D, so have a look in the manual, but usually the frequencies are the same as the native sim.

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After installing the program, update the database, then load your flightplan. No need to load the plan in P3d, just load it in PF3. Turn the P3D atc voice off so you only hear the atc voices from PF3. Connect to FS and press "0" to contact clearance delivery (or ground/tower). You will need to set the correct frequency in your radio first. In FS9/FSX a box pops up to tell you the initial frequency, but I am pretty sure this does not happen with P3D, so have a look in the manual, but usually the frequencies are the same as the native sim.

 

I updated database now get some interaction - also setup frequency and got clearance to take off after that nothing no direction from atc and 0 key does nothing - thank you

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I updated database now get some interaction - also setup frequency and got clearance to take off after that nothing no direction from atc and 0 key does nothing - thank you

 

You should have been told before takeoff to fly a heading.

 

You should have been handed over to departure atc after takeoff.

 

You should then get further vectors and/or instructions to "continue own navigation". Did any of these occur ?

Anyone know of this supports VFR?

 

Tks

 

Yes it does. But as I dont fly VFR you might want to ask further questions in the forum http://www.ocs-support.co.uk/forums/viewforum.php?f=8 if you have specific questions, or download the user guide.

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You should have been told before takeoff to fly a heading.

 

You should have been handed over to departure atc after takeoff.

 

You should then get further vectors and/or instructions to "continue own navigation". Did any of these occur ?

 

 

No no and no lol - oh well never had much luck with any of these programs

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after speaking to clearance did to tune to ground and ask for pushback/taxi permission ?

 

Did you tune to tower at the runway and ask for takeoff clearance ?

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after speaking to clearance did to tune to ground and ask for pushback/taxi permission ?

 

Did you tune to tower at the runway and ask for takeoff clearance ?

Hmmm . . . Very logical steps. I'm no pilot but seems to me those are the steps the pilot or co-pilot would follow!

 

JJ

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Just started reading the User Manual . . . Very pleased to read that PF3 can be installed on a client computer using FSUIPC / WIDEFS to communicate with FSX/FSX-SE/P3D and NOT Simconnect!

 

JJ

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Same as Richard...  I have followed all instructions in the User Guide and after loading flight plan and clicking connect to FS-->  NOTHING .  I have reloaded the data bases as directed .  I have disabled the P3D ATC and set my radio to Clearance DEL freq.  Hit the "0" and  nothing happens.   Will wait and see if others can get the DEMO working in P3D v3.1  :wink:

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Same as Richard...  I have followed all instructions in the User Guide and after loading flight plan and clicking connect to FS-->  NOTHING .  I have reloaded the data bases as directed .  I have disabled the P3D ATC and set my radio to Clearance DEL freq.  Hit the "0" and  nothing happens.   Will wait and see if others can get the DEMO working in P3D v3.1  :wink:

 

Yes I got clearance to take off but nothing after that - glad I am not the only one but I did not disable p3d atc thanks for info on that Vin

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is it navigraph  updatable ? Will it pick  SIDS/STARS for you ? like proactx ? 

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I am also having troubles with the demo. Sometimes I hit the 0 key and nothing happens. The pf3_display programme doesn't work for me either.

 

Oh well, it looked good for a while. If they cannot iron out the bugs, it's back to default atc for me I'm afraid.

 

Anyone tried Pilot2ATC? I am waiting for ver2 to come out and give the demo a try.

 

John

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It seems this addon uses a radio system of its own...? With a screen of its own to contact ATC? Does that mean you can NOT use for instance the radio in the GTN 750 to contact ATC?

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Wow.

Just checked out the feature list and it looks incredible. I'd like to know more about the voice side of things as I use voxatc but also use proatc X sometimes. This sounds like it might be the best of both, can't wait to try it over the weekend. If it does everything promised and is navigraph updatable then it might be the perfect atc solution.

 

Chris

 

It has about 119 voices I think! With the correct boxes checked It's probably as close to realism as you can get. i.e. absolutely no robotism+VHF interference+weak indistinct unintelligable signals(but never for your callsign!) So it's as close to real world as I think you can get.

If you don't understand the RT then you can uncheck the boxes to get hifi quality speech (which is not real). From the navigraph point of view it's not a "flight planning programme". You do that yourself. Navigraph costs and many simmers already use it so don't want to pay more for something they already have. The great thing is though that you can use a fpl with all its bells and whistles already attached. PFe couldn't do that neither can RC4 do that now.

I've been a long time user of PFE and have gone back to it since VOX does not support P3Dv3. I wasn't aware that there was a new version in the works. Oh well, it's only money.

 

Money well spent if you go with it. You might say I'm biased being a beta tester. That said I am a long term user of PFE and also being a pilot I have been rather hard on poor old Dave. There's still a wish list for future updates so it can only get better from hereon.

Anyone know of this supports VFR?

 

Tks

It certainly does.

is it navigraph  updatable ? Will it pick  SIDS/STARS for you ? like proactx ? 

 

No you do that yourself. There's a lot of confusion about picking/being given SIDs and STARs by ATC. You as a Captain will already know what SIDs and STARs to use for a particular routing and certainly your airline will. ATC by "giving" you a SID or STAR is in effect just confirming what you need/want.

 

To give you an example: Imagine a single runway let's say 09-27 and I want to fly to the South. There will be at least two published SIDs, one from each end of the rwy. Call them A and B. They will both join up at a facility further on. So ATC can only give me SID A or SID B for that particular routing depending on the weather. The same logic is applied to STARs as that's from whence you came! As a pilot my first concern is the weather even whilst driving to the airport!! So there's a good chance after parking my car that I already know which way I'm going to take-off. Dispatch will certainly know as it is they who give you your initial fpl.

 

So you do as in the real world. Check the weather first. Set up you fpl with the expected SIDS/STARS tell PF3 and you're a goer. It's not difficult. :Whew:

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is it navigraph  updatable ? Will it pick  SIDS/STARS for you ? like proactx ? 

 

PF3 has no database of airways or SIDS/STARS. It uses your native flightplan waypoints.

 

It does have a number of alternative ways of dealing with SIDS/STARS. For example you can associate a given runway with a SID name eg. EGLL rwy 09R you can associate with CPT5J. Then you will be given that SID to fly as part of your takeoff clearance. Depending how you wish to set PF3 up, you will not get further atc vectors/instructions until you have either reached a specific altitude or reached a specific waypoint (end of your SID). Then you will be cleared to "continue own navigation". The SID waypoints do not even need to be in your flightplan. STARS operate in a similar way.

 

If you want to keep things simpler do not activate SIDS and you will be vectored from takeoff to your first waypoint.

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