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SMP v3.1 has just given me a great virtual flight experience, with weather injected by the NOAA plugin, and the clouds beautifully "painted" all around me.

 

Rain was there, the right amounts of wind variation and even turbulence both thanks to NOAA plugin, but the clouds, the light, all of the sky visuals were simply Great! No fps degradation at all !

 

Bring the connector!!!!

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I'm using noaa plugin also , and I don't know if its something wrong in my installation, symaxx pro settings or what, but even with 3.1, most of the times when raining, I see just a few clouds, the rest of sky is blue.

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I've had that experience in the past with the NOAA plugin, but now, and I really don't know what I did different, it works...

 

One suggestion:

 

- use skyvector.com or badbadweather.com to search for METAR with rain / snow ( RA, SHRA, TSRA, SN );

- go there in X-plane, but chose an aircraft with rain effects modeled.

 

Example: Searched BadBadWeather.com for rain and found

 

LEVD 101500Z 25021G31KT 5000 RA SCT008 BKN025 OVC035 05/03 Q1001

 

Went there and found a true to life windy and rainy day. Took my Carenado C90 for a circuit.

 

It can also have to do with the version of Python and Sandy's Python interface I use.

 

- NOAA Plugin version 2.2.1

- Sandy's Python Interface v2.7 from here

- Pyhton v 2.7.1 64 bit ( more recent versions of Python 2.7 are incompatible with Sandy's interface )

 

I believe I didn't see rain when using the Python Interface v2.6 and Python v2.6 and that's why I decided to try v2.7 of Python and Interface, but beware that 

the most recent versions of Python 2.7 also cause problems! 2.7.1 looks to me as the best choice.

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 Thanks,

I had noaa plugin 2.0, so upgraded to 2.14 just in case. (I already had phyton interface 2.73)

A picture from EGFF ..now with full rain coverage.. still I see it like clouds / clear sky day.

My skymaxx distance settings are at max.

 

(When I try to post a url jpeg or png I get "You are not allowed to use that image extension on this community." What extensions are allowed ?)

 

http://imgur.com/wlNY4kF

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I am using the latest version of both - Python and NOAA - and yesterday, when it was snowing here, it was snowing at my local airport in X-Plane.  It continued to snow until I got above the clouds, which is what should happen.  Not rain, but it accurately portrayed what was going on.  Someone mentioned, and it must be true, that the weather in NOAA does not carry over to the weather radar in aircraft...  I don't like that.

 

John

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Glad you're enjoying SkyMaxx Pro 3.1!

 

I should point out that you won't want to use the NOAA plugin in its current form with Real Weather Connector (RWC) once it's out. NOAA works by distilling the surrounding weather into three cloud layers that surround the plane, using X-Plane's datarefs. Real Weather Connector however uses X-Plane's METAR.rwx file to position different cloud fronts and systems where they should be, meaning you can have different weather visible in different places around the plane. So NOAA really negates the benefit of RWC by how it handles the clouds; it removes the information RWC needs.

 

Furthermore, RWC requires "real world weather" to be active in X-Plane, and NOAA disables that option from what I've seen. 

 

So - with RWC, you'll probably be better off without the NOAA plugin - at least until the author can adapt it to work better with RWC. I think the same is true for EFASS's weather injection. If you're really fond of the NOAA plugin, so as much as I hate to say it - RWC might not be a good purchase for you.

 

With RWC, you'll get the best results just using X-Plane's built-in real world weather feature. It also works with weather add-ons that communicate with X-Plane using the METAR.rwx file, such FS Global Real Weather (FSGRW).

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Thx for making that clear.

 

No problem, provided the outcome is better than what I presently have with the NOAA plugin.

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I'm one of those that never bothered to upgrade to SMP v3. However, with the impending release of this program, I was seriously considering upgrading SMP in order to use it; RWC looks like it's going to change a lot of what I didn't care for in terms of XP weather.

 

As such, I was pretty darn pleased to open up my email just now and see them temporarily bring back the upgrade discount for SMP v2 owners.

 

Good job!  I'm very sure that I'll be taking advantage of that!

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Hmmm, I bought it after the initial discount, just a month or so latter  and payed for the full version again :-/  Not good to know that should I have waited a bit more I would have been able to buy it in discount again...

 

I'll skip the SaaB 340, again :-/

 

But, good for you Jimmy - I'm sure you'll like it !

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I'll skip the SaaB 340, again :-/

 

Haha...some kind of self punishment, or what? :)

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Haha...some kind of self punishment, or what? :)

 

Yep, sort of...  :)

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What weather injectors does RWC support apart from native X-Plane? Efass/UltraWX? FS Global Real Weather?

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RWC works by extracting detailed weather information from X-Plane's metar.rwx file. So X-Plane's built-in real weather, or FSGRW (which uses the metar.rwx file to communicate weather conditions to X-Plane) work well with it.

 

All other weather injectors I know of currently send weather information to X-Plane using datarefs, which limits them to just 3 cloud layers that cover the entire world at any given time. They don't send the detailed weather data we need. As a workaround, you can configure RWC to always use the most recently downloaded metar.rwx from X-Plane's built-in real world weather, and use that for positioning clouds. That way, you get the detail of METAR data for the clouds in your scene, but can still use these external injectors for things like winds, precipitation, turbulence, etc.

 

Short story: RWC works out of the box with built-in real world weather, FSGRW, or any future weather add-ons that interface with X-Plane using METAR data. And you can get it to play nice with other add-ons that take over X-Plane's weather with a couple of extra steps.

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A couple of questions...

 

1) How will it cope with aloft data, namely winds ?  As of some recent version, winds aloft are back on default XpX weather, and do not make part of the METAR of course, so, I wonder how RWC will deal with that ?

 

2) Since METAR reports go only up to sector altitude, how will RWC cope with medium / higher levels on those cases. Example, sector altitude ( like around most European airfields ) is 5,000' at LPPT, so, above that, unless if significant, nothing will be reported, but you can have an OVC at 10,000' which would make your day a lot greyer.... Is RWC prepared to deal with that ? How ?

 

Thx

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1) How will it cope with aloft data, namely winds ?  As of some recent version, winds aloft are back on default XpX weather, and do not make part of the METAR of course, so, I wonder how RWC will deal with that ?

 

X-Plane will handle winds as it always has. RWC's job is to handle cloud type and placement. X-Plane separates wind METAR files from cloud coverage, so no issues here.

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RWC's job is to handle cloud type and placement.

 

That clears things up perfectly to me. Thanks for the explanation.

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X-Plane will handle winds as it always has. RWC's job is to handle cloud type and placement. X-Plane separates wind METAR files from cloud coverage, so no issues here.

 

If I understand this correctly, this means with just RWC + SMP we won't have winds aloft outside of the USA? And we would have to add FSGRW to get a complete "weather environment", so to speak. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like a somewhat awkward arrangement... Oh well, if it means we can finally get proper weather in XP10 it'll be worth it.

 

Cheers,

Steve

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Are winds aloft in XpX's default weather restricted to the USA ?  I thought they were Worldwide ?

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Exactly, that's what I had in mind. Thx fkane.

 

Regarding cloud coverage, maybe X-plane does some internal "massage" to the METAR data fetched from the Net. That would be good for European airports, where cloud coverage in terms of METAR ends usually too low... ( 5,000' in most of Portugal for instance )

 

CAVOK can be reported with a mant of overcast or broken stratus at or above 10,000', for instance. In the USA we would see it reported.

 

I remember perfectly well an approach to Charles De Gaulle where the captain was saying, some 30 min before the arrival, the weather in Paris was clear, with a beautiful day... As I observed from the window that was really not what I expected to find, and the TAFs and charts I had picked at my office at the Portuguese MetOffice were evident proof of the opposite...

 

As we approached the airport, landed and left the aircraft, a grey day, with an overcast layer and some more broken layers above, was expecting us instead :-)

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The product page is now live with pricing details and answers about this product in more detail. We have also found a work around to allow plugins like NOAA to continue to provide wind data while we feed in cloud placement data.

 

With hoping I'm not overstepping boundaries since I did not create this topic, you can find more information here: http://www.x-aviation.com/catalog/product_info.php/real-weather-connector-p-120

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Looks like a great addon!  Price looks good too! Cheaper than I thought it would be.

 

Another reason to look forward to Friday!

 

 

Rob

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A first day buy for me Cameron!

 

Thx for the News - Looking VERY PROMISSING, and judging from SMP and the support users are receiving, with updates that bring it to a continuously better product, I'm sure we can't go wrong with the "Connector" :-)

 

Ok, now that I "have" the Connector ( well. almost... ) bring the Citation, and that iXEG 737 :-)

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Ok,

 

so, I started this thread a few days ago, and today, before leaving home, I was able to buy and download the Real Weather Connector, together with the latest version of SMP v3.

 

I didn't have much time to test, but the tests I ran at LPPT and LPMT were very rewarding and the concept is, in as far as I am concerned, proven to me - it works as advertised.

 

I'll try it tomorrow or still latter today, with different places and weather data around the World.

 

Regarding smoothness, I was already having a smooth display with SMP v3 and the NOAA(*) plugin, and the tests I ran were as smooth as I was already accustomed to. BTW, I made my

tests using the "Always" option in the new R-W W menu in SMP v3, because I wanted to test how it worked with the NOAA plugin. But in my next tests I will disable the NOAA plugin and see how it goes.

 

Beware that in order to use RWC you have to have SMPv3 !!!

 

They're both among my best acquisitions for X-Plane 10 :-)

 

(*) Beware that the NOAA plugin itself can cause freezes of 2-4 sec !

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XPX keeps getting better and better by the day.

 

Now if we only new what is coming with 10.50, wouldn't that be nice!

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