XtremePrototypes Classic GLJ 25 SE Review

[odourboy 1,290]

Ryan (or anyone else who owns this learjet), with the concerns expressed about FPS, could I ask for a quick frame rate comparison with some other popular add-on, say a pmdg 738 or cs 727.. ??? It doesn'the have to be too detailed, just try to get same situation for each and turn off any rate limiter and vsync so the frames can run unlimited. Thanks in advance!

[bill10 13]

with the concerns expressed about FPS, could I ask for a quick frame rate comparison with some other popular add-on, say a pmdg 738 or cs 727

 

Just did a real quick test at EGPH (UK2000) between the CaptainSim 727 and the XP Lear and to my surprise the FPS hit wasn't as bad as I recall. Maybe a lose of 2-3 FPS. I think my initial reaction and use of the XP Lear was at very high quality payware airports and  a lot of AI traffic. I seem to recall frames in the 15 to 18 range. Where before with ALL the other aircraft I own this was an all time low.  I haven't ventured out much with the XP Lear, not that I don't enjoy it, it's an excellent aircraft, but my VA flying has kept me in the AS Airbus. I think you will notice a FPS hit but not enough to not enjoy the plane. VAS on the other hand is a different story. In my quick unscientific study the XP Lear used 400-500 more than the CS 727. Hope this helps you out.

[odourboy 1,290]

Just did a real quick test at EGPH (UK2000) between the CaptainSim 727 and the XP Lear and to my surprise the FPS hit wasn't as bad as I recall. Maybe a lose of 2-3 FPS. I think my initial reaction and use of the XP Lear was at very high quality payware airports and a lot of AI traffic. I seem to recall frames in the 15 to 18 range. Where before with ALL the other aircraft I own this was an all time low. I haven't ventured out much with the XP Lear, not that I don't enjoy it, it's an excellent aircraft, but my VA flying has kept me in the AS Airbus. I think you will notice a FPS hit but not enough to not enjoy the plane. VAS on the other hand is a different story. In my quick unscientific study the XP Lear used 400-500 more than the CS 727. Hope this helps you out.

Thanks very much Bill. Can I ask you to quote the actual numbers for FSP you were seeing? I realize the absolute numbers won't necessarily transfer, but the values would be useful from a relative sense. Disappointing to hear about the VAS. It'seems an issue with my setup. That's one of the things putting me off the flysimware Lear 35A.

 

EDIT to add: I'm using P3D V3 and there was a 'suggestion' that you should turn off 'Optimize Parts' in the Prepar3D.cfg to use the model. Is that the case?

[ryanbatc 12,859]

Ryan (or anyone else who owns this learjet), with the concerns expressed about FPS, could I ask for a quick frame rate comparison with some other popular add-on, say a pmdg 738 or cs 727.. ??? It doesn'the have to be too detailed, just try to get same situation for each and turn off any rate limiter and vsync so the frames can run unlimited. Thanks in advance!

I don't have any of those

 

I did compare it to the Car citation and default on page 2 maybe

[bill10 13]

 

 

Can I ask you to quote the actual numbers for FSP you were seeing? I realize the absolute numbers won't necessarily transfer, but the values would be useful from a relative sense.

 

Sure no problem. 

 

There are a HUGE amount of variables but you know that. :smile:

 

CS727     --- AVG FPS were 32.

XP Lear   --- AVG FPS were 28.

 

CS727    --- VAS remaining 2313.

XP Lear  --- VAS remaining 1853.

 

I am running this in FSX so I am no expert on the 'Optimize Parts' thingy! 

Just for some perspective my system is an I7 4790k OC to 4.7.

 

Hope that helps.

[odourboy 1,290]

 

 

Quick number compare (same scenery, same weather, reboots in between, avionics on)



Default F22: 75 fps

Carenado C550 (typical fps hog): 45 fps

XP Lear 25: 40 fps



yikes!

Found it.. thanks! I don't have the C550, but with the default F22, I'm seeing actually slightly lower performance than you (about 70 fps) for my 'default' flight. That would suggest I should expect something in the neighbourhood of 37 FPS for the Lear 25. I get about 47 for the CS737-200 and about 45 for the PMDG 737-800 in the same setting. Looks like the Lear will be really tough on my system too! :mad:

Sure no problem. 

 

There are a HUGE amount of variables but you know that. :smile:

 

CS727     --- AVG FPS were 32.

XP Lear   --- AVG FPS were 28.

 

CS727    --- VAS remaining 2313.

XP Lear  --- VAS remaining 1853.

 

I am running this in FSX so I am no expert on the 'Optimize Parts' thingy! 

Just for some perspective my system is an I7 4790k OC to 4.7.

 

Hope that helps.

Indeed! Thank you. If you look at my reply to Ryan's data you can see how I used the ratio of the frame rates of common aircraft to deduce how it might perform on my system (i5 3570 OC 4.3gHz). Using the same approach, from you data I should expect in the area of 41 FPS. However, I'm using P3D with minimal add-ons and Optimize Parts set true (which provides a big performance boost on some aircraft) versus your measurements in FSX, so I'm not sure how well these will map except I think I can say with confidence that I'll see something a few frames below the CS727 - which is what you said from the start LOL!

For anyone who's interested, I found the P3D Optimize Parts discussion here:

 

http://www.avsim.com/topic/493802-issue-with-the-xtremeprototypes-lear-in-p3danyone-else/

 

This is a showstopper for me. Too bad.

[ryanbatc 12,859]

Yeah but you can use the FSX model in P3D. The only downside is that a few switches won't animate. This is what I decided to do to avoid losing optimize parts.

 

But agreed - it's really tough on VAS. All the textures I guess... it's not a plane you'd think would be too hard on perform but it is :(

[MartinRex007 390]

Has anyone had trouble downloading this aircraft, it's 1.1GB and my IP drops it at about 54% and now I've exceeded my downloads. I have GetRight but can't seem to get it to download the *.zip file. I have sent them an e-mail and now just waiting for a response....Looking forward to flying her!

 

Cheers

Martin

[ryanbatc 12,859]

I have no trouble but I got it when it came out

 

Support took maybe a day to get back to me when I had a question

[MartinRex007 390]

Alain from Xtreme Prototypes got back with me in short time and help me get things resolved, great support.

Now can't wait to fly her! Thanks for the review Ryan, always been a fan of the Lear!

 

Cheers

Martin

[MartinRex007 390]

Great little plane, and a real blast to fly!

 

-m

[onduty 5]

Hi Guys,

 

I'm on the verge of buying this product. To help me with my final "go" could you post a cockpit picture showing the engine/flight instruments at say FL390,

steady cruise flight? I would like to check various engine parameters VS RW aircraft.

 

Appreciate your help,

 

Tamas

[ryanbatc 12,859]

Half way through my pics there's a shot at FL450 showing the GTN750 and most of the engine gauges.  I can't recall what the turbine was at.... maybe 82?

[MartinRex007 390]

Is the only trim pitch on the center console, because when I try to change the trim for pitch nothing seems to happen and my take off trim annunciator light is on prior to take off. I quickly went over the manual but perhaps I miss it

 

Cheers

Martin

[onduty 5]

Thank you Ryan, but unfortunatelly the EPR gauge is missing.

 

Cheers,

 

Tamas