Sign in to follow this  
moss1

I like Carenado a/c

Recommended Posts

Is it just my imagination -- or do Carenado get a raw deal here on the Avsim forum. There never seems to be much discussion about their a/c and when there is, it is often quite negative. Their Mentor and C182 RG are in my opinion two of the best FS2004 GA a/c around -- I just wish they would do a twin.Barryhttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/132999.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Help AVSIM continue to serve you!
Please donate today!

There's a bit of a history to Carenado, but that was a long time ago so it' not worth mentioning now, but since then I believe they have lived that down and demonstrated they are a reputable company.Their 3D modelling and textures are second to none (maybe even first), IMHO their sounds and air files are not quite in step with their prodigious modelling skills, perhaps they don't have the same expertise as other development groups in those areas, nowadays you need an entire team of specialists.But all in all very good products and very reasonable prices.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I know what happened with them in the past but they're a completely different company now. Their C210, C182RG and Cherokee180F are some of my favorite GA planes. I think many commencted that the C182RG has a very good flight model, especially after the patch, so they're improving in that area too.I was a bit shocked when they released their screensaver as payware but hey, it's up to the simmers to decide if they want to pay money for a bunch of promotional screenshots.I will probably get their 206 even though I feel it's a bit similar to the countless other high-wing Cessnas out there. I heard they'll make a float version, and I'm especially looking forward to that.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

They did a very good job with their 210 (with a few exceptions) and the flight model was fairly close. I'm very anxious to grab the new one though, as I own a U206B. The 206 has some unique characteristics and a very wide performance envelope. Very curious to see how close they get. Looks like a real beauty as well.Leon

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi Leon,Iunderstand you own a real aircraft. I myself am looking to purchase a real aircraft. Im a little worried about the cost of operating one though. I was just wondering if you can break down the approximate cost of operating one or how expensive it is.(You dont have to give me exact figures that cost you as I know its none of my bussiness). Thanks alotGerry

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

>I agree, Carenado rocks, Cant wait for the latest.>>Go Carenado Go>>GerryYes I agree with your agreement :-) AnthonyUK

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

>Is it just my imagination -- or do Carenado get a raw deal>here on the Avsim forum. There never seems to be much>discussion about their a/c and when there is, it is often>quite negative. Their Mentor and C182 RG are in my opinion two>of the best FS2004 GA a/c around -- I just wish they would do>a twin.>>Barry>If an aircraft isn't discussed as much as another I don't think its a "raw deal",its a raw deal if the site doesn't allow the discussion. The heavy iron always gets the most fourm airplay,its always been like that. The Stationaire looks good,wish they'd done a new H model with the glass cockpit,or better yet a H thats turbo'd,I'd be one of the first buyers. I might buy,not sure...pretty much up to my eyeballs in Cessna's.David

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'll be all over that 206 just as soon as the float version's done.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The 206 is looking like its going to be their best yet, I really like the look of the gauges and VC.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

>""I'll be all over that 206 just as soon as the float>version's>done."">>yep, same here. Let's hope it happens. They'll have a whole lot of angry bush pilots to contend with if it doesn't at this point! :-lol

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Those new screenshots of the 206 are simply beautiful.This is going to be one great bush plane, without pants or with the float version. FSCargo might be real fun with this airplane. I wonder if the back seats will toggle out?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi Gerry,A great many things come into play when addressing the cost of ownership vs. renting. The fixed costs typically include things such as:1. Aircraft payment if financed (obviously depends on type and amount financed, and terms of the loan). Fill in your own estimate here.2. Insurance premium (not required in the states unless a financial institution holds the paper - but prudent anyway, and again depends on the a/c type and value, and your time in type). For example, I also have a Cessna 120 taildragger. I carry liability only as I occasionally fly kids as part of the EAA Young Eagles program. This runs less than $300/year as I have a good many taildragger hours. The 206 hull insurance varies as a function of the aircraft value, time in type, and so on, and can run about fifteen hundred dollars a year for an older model to several times that for a newer model. Figure your aircraft in there somewhere.3. Hangar or tie down fees. Again depends on where you are - here in Lakeland, Florida ramp tiedown space is/was about $25/month (at least a couple of years ago anyway). Enclosed 'T' hangars are currently running about $250/month here. On some airports you can buy individual 'T' hangar units for about $60,000, as was the case here - but they sell fast.4. Annual inspection and routine maintenance (most of us befriend a mechanic with inspection authorization,IA, who works with us to maintain our airplanes at much lower than shop rates. A typical annual inspection for a simple single can run between one and several thousand dollars. But as I mentioned above, with the help of a local IA you may trim that to a few hundred dollars for the annual (labor) and whatever parts you need.5, Variable costs include things such as:1. Fuel and oil - all over the map. The last I bought here was $4.20/gallon, but auto gas has dropped quite a bit since then so maybe avgas fell as well. The 120 burns auto fuel anyway.2. Engine maintenance/overhaul reserve (in reality very few us flying for recreation purposes fund a maintenance account, but it's a good idea). If you use $10,000 as an overhaul figure (less if you work with the AI to do it) and assuming 500 hours remaining on the engine - your hourly cost would be $20.3. Desired airframe or panel upgrades - just whatever you can afford.I do most of my own maintenance and have no bank notes to pay, so my cost is probably on the low side of typical. But averaging the cost over both planes, I am in the neighborhood of $110-$130/hour. This does not, however, include major purchases or upgrades, or any maintenance to my hangar. Those things just have to be worked into the budget (below the wife's radar).It's difficult to compare renting vs. owning as the economics generally favor renting. But I spend a good deal of time just tinkering with the airplanes and spending time at the airport with friends, which has some value I guess. Others may add to or subtract from the tally, but that's about how it works out for me.Good luck,Leon

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Perhaps I am butting in here, and perhaps my aircraft is not similar to what you are thinking, but hopefully this info will be helpful.I own a quarter share of a 1973 Piper Cherokee Challenger 180. It's got a Airmarc 288 switche panel, KX 155 TSO navcomm w/Glideslope, KX 175B TSO navcomm w/glideslope, (IOW dual VOR w/glideslope) Northstar M1 Loran, Bendix T-12C ADF, Narco AT 150 TSO Transponder, ADF Freq digital readout (the ADF only has an analog dial). It really could use another paint job, but right now we don't have the desire to spend the money. It is a very reliable plane. The only thing that has broken as far as I remember is one of the landing gear oleo's lost a seal while one of the owners was taxiing.When I purchased the 1/4 share for $7500 in 1987 I knew a couple of panels in the wings would need to be replaced due to cracks, which was done 3 years after I purchased. One cylinder head has been replaced. When I purchased, the engine had less than 500 hours since major overhaul ($15,000 for an engine overhaul or so total) For the first 3 years I had to pay about $1500/year or so in fees for the annual inspections. Since then it has been about $500/year + the onetime charge of $480 to repair the landing gear. We pay $30/hour into a fund, which used to help defray annual costs when gas was cheaper. We may have to raise that fee soon. I have heard this year's annual will cost about $800/person, but I haven't gotten the bill yet.I have about 220 hours and insurance costs about $325/year for $45,000 hull insurance and I forget how much liability.The aircraft is stored at KASH; one of the owners has a hangar that he is not using, so he let's us use it for free. Normally, a tie down costs I think $25/mo or something, I think it is listed online somewhere what that fee is.All in all, not bad. Unfortunately, due to life issues, I haven't flown in 4 years, but hopefully I'll get past that soon and be able to get going again. I've been holding onto the plane because it is such a good deal, and the partners are great. I didn't expect my layoff to last this long.It costs $90/hour to rent a similar airplane around here, plus gas, so I calculated that I only have to fly 15 hours/year to break even, the more I fly, the better it gets.Hope this helps,Thomas

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If the rear seats are separate textures, you could always make them transparent if Carenado doesn't give the option. But I bet if you ask they will help you out. When I've asked for help, they've always gotten right back to me.Thomas

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thomas,Good luck getting past those issues and back into the air. General aviation has a difficult road ahead and we need all the support and all the flying pilots we can muster. ADIZ establishments, user fees, privatization, etc. Not insurmountable but will require supporting our lobbying groups in Washington.Regards,Leon

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thank you both so much. I guessit matters quite a bit what type of aircrfat, location etc. but It gives me an idea.Right nw im looking at something small and cheap, say a 150, 152, maybe a 172. I have about 300 hours, about 250 of them on a 172 so Im hoping insurance wont hurt me too much.Thanks again for the help.Gerry

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

They are doing a pantsless version after I asked about it...not that I'm saying it was done especially for me. The Clear Simulations people said they'd be doing a cargo model of their 206, so there's that to hope for if Carenado doesn't...though the promised ClearSim website still has yet to materialize.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

>I was a bit shocked when they released their screensaver as>payware but hey, it's up to the simmers to decide if they want>to pay money for a bunch of promotional screenshots.LOL,I didn't hear about that one or get a email from them,I'm on their mailing list but its a bit flaky from time to time. That would take some guts to try and charge your good paying customers for a .jpg of a simulated aircraft.Again,if Carenado offered the glass cockpit like Cessna is doing with the H model I'd be standing in line.....David

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I am a Carenado fan too. But re: your comment about a twin, the Dreamfleet Baron 58 was recently released and is an AWESOME machine. I was on the Beta team but have no other involvement with DF. It's just a GREAT light twin with super-advanced avionics and LITE models as well.Regards,Jim

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I am a huge fan of Carenado ever since their free Piper Tomahawk or Cessna 152 for FS 2000. I then purchased their Cessna 172 and Piper Saratoga. These were great visual models. When FS2002 rolled around I purchased the Beechcraft Bonanzas. With FS9 I have updated the Bonanzas, purchased the Dakota, 210, 182, and look forward to the 206. I don't know about any seemy history with Carenado, but at this point I don't care to know. The past products and services have been absolutely fantastic. I am one of the few that enjoys general aviation over comercial, and I would like to see more general aviation announcements of products, etc. It is fine and dandy to set the autopilot, push a button and watch the plane take off, cruise and land all by itself. It is fantastic to pilot the aircraft into a mountain airstrip in MVFR / IFR conditions all by the seat of your pants....:D Now that is where real pilots are found....:DKevin

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm also a great fan of Carenado. Actually, I think they do the best GA vc's - at least in terms of realism. It must be something to do with the textures they use. I actually feel like I'm sitting in a real plane, especially in the Mentor, the Cessna 210 and 182RG. The only other company to touch them in this is Dreamfleet. Most of the other payware vendors seem to create vc's that are fully functional and have smooth gauges but the interior of the cockpits feel unreal and they usually make me feel like I am sitting in an Airfix kit!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ya Carenado Rocks, Ill be all over the new one.About the float version, Being a real life float rated pilot, I see no fun in flying floats in MSFS, Maybe im missing something, I just find that its kind of boring. Theres nothing to see. Maybe I just dont have the required scenery to enjoy it.If there were more float bases in the sim it might be a little more interresting.Any advice or comments as I love float flying IRL, but find it udderly boring in the sim.This is not to bad mounth people that love the floats in the sim, Im just trying to figure out if theres something im missing in order to enjoy the float flying in MSFSThanks Gerry

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

>I'm also a great fan of Carenado. Actually, I think they do>the best GA vc's - at least in terms of realism. It must be>something to do with the textures they use. I actually feel>like I'm sitting in a real plane, especially in the Mentor,>the Cessna 210 and 182RG. The only other company to touch them>in this is Dreamfleet. Most of the other payware vendors seem>to create vc's that are fully functional and have smooth>gauges but the interior of the cockpits feel unreal and they>usually make me feel like I am sitting in an Airfix kit!Add RealAir to the list, as the Spitfire has an exceptional VC. But like you, I think that Carenado & Dreamfleet have excellent VC's. These are my top three, although I haven't purchased a few airliner models from some other vendors, that I hear are good.And since I actually do buy some payware models based on well done exterior graphics, Carenado is very, very good at this!L.Adamson

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this