Well I have seen some silly statements in the all the years I have been visiting Avsim but that one takes the biscuit.
Name me one other Flightsim engine with the shear breadth of features that FSX/P3D possesses.
Whole round earth simulation, seasons, correct moon phases, complex weather simulation, 24000 airports with correct layout and Ai taxi ways defined, ATC, Ai system and finally a well documented SDK that has enabled all these third party addons to be developed.

 

Seasons? Are you talking about the texture seasons that look like crap and that everyone has replaced with FTX textures or some other addon?

Correct moon phases. Yeah, that's a real great one to brag about. In AeroFly, the moon actually provides a small amount of light. In P3D you don't even have a lighting engine.

Weather, who uses default weather? Nobody that wants accuracy or realism.

Airports and the whole globe. X-plane; It actually has more coverage by default.

ATC? Nothing like picking your words from a menu. Which pilot voice do you like?

AI? Are you joking?

 

How about important flight related features? Like NAV data, current magnetic declination, flight dynamics, aircraft systems, icing, land class. One needs to get all of this stuff from addons created by developers that have gone through every possible measure to work around the limitations of the simulator, both feature wise and performance.

 

Nice try though. You can take the biscuit. 

Nice try though. You can take the biscuit.

 

Yep you got the biscuit, go tell LM that they wasted millions buying the code or all the many developers who made money by using the SDK to make their addons.

Tell me about Xplanes seasons, ATC, Ai, airports without buildings or taxiway layouts. I have used it and it falls way short of a fully rounded platform.

FSX/P3D whatever it's shortfalls is still the most feature rich simulator/SDK around that's why it's the most popular platform for addons, to claim otherwise is just silly. the sales figures, number of users and shear size of the market around it are proof enough..

Without the MS series of Sims over the years there would probably even be no Avsim, think about that for a second...

 

little functional value, get real it's carried the genre for the last decade and more.

 

 

Yep you got the biscuit, go tell LM that they wasted millions buying the code or all the many developers who made money by using the SDK to make their addons.
Tell me about Xplanes seasons, ATC, Ai, airports without buildings or taxiway layouts. I have used it and it falls way short of a fully rounded platform.
FSX/P3D whatever it's shortfalls is still the most feature rich simulator/SDK around that's why it's the most popular platform for addons, to claim otherwise is just silly. the sales figures, number of users and shear size of the market around it are proof enough..
Without the MS series of Sims over the years there would probably even be no Avsim, think about that for a second...
 
little functional value, get real it's carried the genre for the last decade and more.

 

Oh, they didn't waste millions. I won't tell them that. I'm sure it's all working out great for them. I'll ask them why they have released 3 major versions and have nothing to show for it other then 100% profit because they haven't done anything.

 

And there is no such thing as an AI airport. If your referring to animated features, X-plane has plenty of that. I'll tell you that X-plane has seasons, because the weather engine supports all temperatures, snow, icing, fog rain, everything that matters to flight simulation. The ground textures that you're referring to are absent, but again, nobody uses that in P3D because of FTX. I'd gladly take that over VAS issues.

 

I think you meant to say FSX/P3D is the most featureless sim on the market and a massive investment in addons is required.

 

If brand loyalty is what drives you to fund LM's projects, then go for it.

 

 

because the weather engine supports all temperatures, snow, icing, fog rain, everything that matters to flight simulation

 

You forgot wind, all three layers in XPlane, maybe that's why no dev can create a decent weather simulation for it.

Oh and FTX uses the very same seasons as FSX/P3D just different ( better) textures that's all.

How are the Ai taxi routes at the Xplane default airports, clue (there aren't any) but then with 20 Ai aircraft what more do you want.

Fly on Vatsim/Ivao ? how good is your model matching ?

Put up a poll and lets see just how popular Xplane really is, but we really don't need to go there because it's patently obviously from the amount of products released for both platforms.

You are showing yourself up here really mate. If you really think Xplane is the most complete and successful platform you should really go and have a lie down.

You forgot wind, all three layers in XPlane, maybe that's why no dev can create a decent weather simulation for it.

Oh and FTX uses the very same seasons as FSX/P3D just different ( better) textures that's all.

How are the Ai taxi routes at the Xplane default airports, clue (there aren't any) but then with 20 Ai aircraft what more do you want.

Fly on Vatsim/Ivao ? how good is your model matching ?

Put up a poll and lets see just how popular Xplane really is, but we really don't need to go there because it's patently obviously from the amount of products released for both platforms.

You are showing yourself up here really mate. If you really think Xplane is the most complete and successful platform you should really go and have a lie down.

 

Try not to make false statements. It's not fair to anyone.

 

I didn't say X-plane was the most popular or the most successful. All I'm saying is that in it's current state, it's a better base to build on for addon developers. Would be nice to see that happen; and thankfully it looks like they are coming around. Your preferred platform remains successful only because people are in too deep to move away.

 

Model matching has nothing to do with the simulator.

 

And keep the discussion civil please, you don't need to make condescending remarks. That's not fair.

 

 

All I'm saying is that in it's current state, it's a better base to build on for addon developers.

 

But the developers disagree, why is that ?, is it possibly that the Xplane user base is less likely to spend money preferring to build their world around free ware and donation ware.

Just look at the releases in the last week for P3D and compare that to Xplane, no comparison on quantity or quality and with the 64bit version arriving this year the major issue with the code base will be gone.

To be honest  as I head  towards living on a fixed income I would love Xplane to succeed it would be by far the cheaper platform to build on but the progress is glacial slow, can I afford to wait that long. 

What I have now works fine for me, great airports, fantastic addons such as the NGX, great weather courtesy of Hifi Simulations.

Both of the platforms benefit from third party addons, fact is FSX/P3D have far more and of a much higher quality and that's why it's still the most popular platform, that may change but I can't afford to wait around for it.

But the developers disagree, why is that ?, is it possibly that the Xplane user base is less likely to spend money preferring to build their world around free ware and donation ware.

Just look at the releases in the last week for P3D and compare that to Xplane, no comparison on quantity or quality and with the 64bit version arriving this year the major issue with the code base will be gone.

To be honest  as I head  towards living on a fixed income I would love Xplane to succeed it would be by far the cheaper platform to build on but the progress is glacial slow, can I afford to wait that long. 

What I have now works fine for me, great airports, fantastic addons such as the NGX, great weather courtesy of Hifi Simulations.

Both of the platforms benefit from third party addons, fact is FSX/P3D have far more and of a much higher quality and that's why it's still the most popular platform, that may change but I can't afford to wait around for it.

 

The quality of the IXEG 737 is at least as good as or better then any P3D addon.  There are many others as well. You're right about quantity, but not always quality. All Cerenado offerings are better in X-plane because the flight dynamics are far better in the sim. The best scenery out there that I've seen is on X-plane. Again, developers build for P3D because they can resell everything they built for FSX again with little effort.

 

Go ahead and keep buying P3D as it takes baby steps forward and fund their recovery from a "million dollar purchase". Keep buying $130 addons and talk about your VAS issues. Have fun!

 

 

Keep buying $130 addons and talk about your VAS issues. Have fun!

 

No VAS issues here, never had an OOM flying the NGX around europe into high quality payware airports, complex weather with lots of Ai

The IXEG is still not as complete a product as the PMDG NGX as most rational XPlane users will admit despite the NGX being released in 2011

But here is the pricing, not a lot in it really.

 

IXEG $74.95

NGX P3D $89.99

Wow talk about going off topic lol

After a year out, I did a freash install of everything. So after reading all the doom and gloom over 3.4 I will I liitle bothered how it would go.

 

Well

PMDG NG

AS Dubin

FT EHAM

AS16- AS Cloud art with REX Clouds=soft clouds

New caseplane(1.5) (love it)

FTX Global and vector.

 

EIDW to EHAM, landed and at gate 1.1GB VAS left

Return flight 1.3GB left.

 

So I must be lucky! or doing completely fresh install did the job?

 

Funny, I suffered continually with VAS and OOM issues in 3.4 - I was just putting update on top of update. Recently however, I had a complete SSD drive failure which was my dedicated P3D drive. I installed a new dedicated P3D hardrive and did a full Prepar3D v3.4.18.19475(latest). I no longer have any VAS or OOM problems. I have the exact same settings and addons and flying from the same airports that caused all the problems before. Although it took nearly a week to get everything back on track, it was worth it.

 

Maybe, we are supposed to do this every update.

 

steve s

In my P3D Basket I can carry ten Tangerines and a Grapefruit, or two Tangerines and a Melon. If I OOB that's just my fault so I don't add the Melon without removing some Tangerines. XP may have a larger shopping basket that can hold a small shipment of Grapefruits from Barbados, but can the Basket be carried when it's that full?

 

 

In my P3D Basket I can carry ten Tangerines and a Grapefruit, or two Tangerines and a Melon. If I OOB that's just my fault so I don't add the Melon without removing some Tangerines

 

Perfect explanation of VAS management Steve, mods please make this a sticky.

LOL!

Perfect explanation of VAS management Steve, mods please make this a sticky.

 

Oh cool, Here's another one

 

I have a P3D basket, it broke so I bought it again. It was only slightly better so I bought it again. It got a bit better but I still have to be careful what I put in it or all my fruit goes out the bottom. The seller of the basket doesn't care about my fruit because they made the basket for someone else that puts only a few blueberries in it. The seller also doesn't care because I keep buying it anyway. The next basket might be better but nobody knows. I'm going to keep my hopes up because I've spend so much money on all my baskets and fruit. I'm a bit worried because the cost of fruit took a severe spike, granted, it is tasting better and juicer but also much heavier.

 

Cheers fellas.

Mr Boffa has an Xplane basket, he would love to put more in it but the shelves are bare.

 

Mr boffa is going home hungry for more produce. :smile: