Hi David,I don't think jd ever said it wasn't possible. I'm sure the option will be looked into considering the feedback you and others have given.All the best,John

Come now. I can't see any legitimate argument against the download method. It should at least be available. The best developers in this addon business, ex. Dreamfleet use it. There's no valid argument against it. Indeed, before FDC live cockpit used the download method and before the newest version, I was (maybe the first but who knows) stating on their board 'why not use the download method'?. The exact same arguments used against it are being used here. Surprise, with the new version we had direct download from Aerosoft. I bought it of course.Put it on download and you've got a purchaser. Otherwise no go.

>Edited for spelling.>>Rayed,>>Please don't wait for a downloadable version because that may>not be possible. Now that the Christmas post rush has finishedYep I am in EU. You teasing me too much, hehe.. I might try my luck, that $1 trick should work.P.S. It's nothing against RC team or distribution method, just my own anarchistic rule to not to pay goverment anything more that I really have to. But this is off topic.

>Hi David,>>I don't think jd ever said it wasn't possible. I'm sure the>option will be looked into considering the feedback you and>others have given.>>All the best,>>JohnI must have misunderstood what you meant in your post above that stated "Please don't wait for a downloadable version because that may not be possible."

If you don't buy it, because you can't download it, you lose more than you would ever realize. I've bought software both ways, at some sites like FSGenesis, I can get huge files in downloads. I still prefer to get them on a CD. My time is worth money, and downloading 600 megs or more sometimes has taken five or more hours. If the file is then corrupted, like a recent one of PMDG B1900, which was much smaller, then it was worthless..... Bought it the day it came out, the download expired in 1 day, before I realized it... Now cant download it, and still havent got a good copy of the file. If Id been able to get a CD, Id be flying it right now.

Gentlemen,The issue of RC4 being available as a download has been raised several times and JD has explained why it hasn't been possible to provide a download option. I see no need to repeat his words here.For those of you who are put off by any taxes you might pay this will not be an issue as JDTLLC value the CD at 1 US Dollar. That should hold good for the EU. I can't imagine it's any different for the USA or for any other countries. I received my copy and no additional payments were required.If we'd decided to make it downloadable that would have excluded anyone who didn't have a fast DSL connection. 700Mb is a huge download even if a host server could have been found which it couldn't. And then we would have had all those with dial-up asking why it couldn't be available on CD. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If we'd had the resources to host a server no doubt the price would have risen and then that would open up another debate.If we had asked a internet software retailer to sell it on our behalf I'm sure the price would have risen as they would have wanted a percentage and that might have made RC4 too expensive for some pockets.Other software which initially is available only as a download is later released on CD and many people prefer to buy it that way as they have a physical copy of the software as opposed to a link to a site which they may lose over time or maybe that site may become inaccessible for a variety of reasons.To deny yourselves owning what is a very good alternative to the default ATC because you won't wait a week for it to be delivered is something I can't understand but I accept that's your decision. Having used the default ATC I know what I'd rather be using.It's very difficult to please everyone but JDTLLC have done what they feel is best. Things may change regarding a download option but that is something I'm not involved in. I'm just the guy who processed the sounds for you.I hope you understand why we did what we did. A merry Christmas to you all and all the best for 2006.

I have been flying RC4 for a week now, and the idea of not ordering it because it is only available on a CD, totally boggles my mind. To have to suffer with FS9 ATC, or no ATC at all at this point, is just totally out of the question. I just checked Servinfo for Vatsim, and in the entire USA, at 7:40 PM, there are 3 tower controllers, 3 clearance deliveries, one center and one ground controller. Once you try RC4, you will never fly without it, and you will thank yourself over and over for ordering it. ..

If you don't buy it, because you can't download it, you lose more than you would ever realize. I've bought software both ways, at some sites like FSGenesis, I can get huge files in downloads. I still prefer to get them on a CD. My time is worth money, and downloading 600 megs or more sometimes has taken five or more hours.Never had a problem with downloading on broadband ever. Including over gigabyte transfers. So the complaints are meaningless. Next.

>I have been flying RC4 for a week now, and the idea of not>ordering it because it is only available on a CD, totally>boggles my mind. To have to suffer with FS9 ATC, or no ATC at>all at this point, is just totally out of the question. I>just checked Servinfo for Vatsim, and in the entire USA, at>7:40 PM, there are 3 tower controllers, 3 clearance>deliveries, one center and one ground controller. Once you>try RC4, you will never fly without it, and you will thank>yourself over and over for ordering it. .. I guess I will be flying online in VATSIM with RC then. :)Isn't it a good idea when there are no controllers online? It won't relieve me from some typing job on UNICOM though, it's no big deal.

Dirk,That sounds like an interesting combination ;-)Seriously, VATSIM is fine if you alwaysuse airports that have controllers and you don't mind disabling all your Ai aircraft.RC4 controls your flight anywhere in the world at any time and you can keep all your Ai aircraft. The world might seem a very lonely place if yours is the only aircraft in the skies :-(Cheers,

>Dirk,>>That sounds like an interesting combination ;-)>>Seriously, VATSIM is fine if you always use airports that have>controllers and you don't mind disabling all your Ai>aircraft.>>RC4 controls your flight anywhere in the world at any time and>you can keep all your Ai aircraft. The world might seem a very>lonely place if yours is the only aircraft in the skies :-(>>Cheers,Here is an example. I just went to Servinfo to see who is on Vatsim at the moment. I am getting ready to have some coffee and fly a UPSVAC flight. What I usually did when flying Vatsim, was to go to Servinfo, see where there are controllers, than go back to the flights that are available on the UPSVAC for me to chose from , and see if I can find a flight that has some kind of active Vatsim ATC along the route. Many times, I can only find ATC at either the arrival or destination airports, but not both. Sometimes I only can get enroute ATC, but all arrivals and approaches have to be flown alone, with no AI and no ATC. Anyway, here is what is on Servinfo this morning. Controllers 1 in Houston Center, no towers, no clearance Del, no departures, no approaches, no ground controllers, at all in the entire United States. If I don't want to fly around the Houston Center area, I will have zero ATC. Now to see Air Traffic flying, so you will have other planes to see at the airports and in the skies33 aircraft spread across the entires US. That is less than one plane per state..... Not exactly what you would call " air traffic" As soon as I finish checking this forum and my email, I am going to just pick a flight and go. Lately flying to some airport I have never been, has been my rule, since I don't have to worry about ATC availability anymore, cause RC4 is everywhere. Yesterday I flew out of Salt Lake City back to UPSVAC's hub in Louisville, and I was in a line of about 9 aircraft, taking off at Salt Lake. Arrivals and departures were coming in on 2 parallel runways, and I sat on the taxiway for about 5 minutes, number one to go. I was then given position and hold, and a couple of minutes later cleared for takeoff. (This is basically what happened to me when I flew a real aircraft flight out of SLC on Delta , about 3 months ago.) I had ATC the entire way on this 1250 mile flight from Clearance delivery at SLC , right down to the ground controller at Louisville telling me to taxi to the ramp. RC4 is one of the programs like Active Sky that turns FS9 into a brand new experience.

>Yesterday I flew out of Salt Lake City back to>UPSVAC's hub in Louisville, and I was in a line of about 9>aircraft, taking off at Salt Lake. Arrivals and departures>were coming in on 2 parallel runways, and I sat on the taxiway>for about 5 minutes, number one to go. I was then given>position and hold, and a couple of minutes later cleared for>takeoff. (This is basically what happened to me when I flew a>real aircraft flight out of SLC on Delta , about 3 months>ago.)>> I had ATC the entire way on this 1250 mile flight from>Clearance delivery at SLC , right down to the ground>controller at Louisville telling me to taxi to the ramp. RC4>is one of the programs like Active Sky that turns FS9 into a>brand new experience. Doesn't RC lack some interactivity yet, since it is more like you listen all the time and click the buttons in response. Is it possible to combine it somehow with SHOOT (voice recognition), so it would become a 2-way voice channel? I recall something similar was possible with Aeti ProFlight 2000 and a voice recognition software.

>>Yesterday I flew out of Salt Lake City back to>>UPSVAC's hub in Louisville, and I was in a line of about 9>>aircraft, taking off at Salt Lake. Arrivals and departures>>were coming in on 2 parallel runways, and I sat on the>taxiway>>for about 5 minutes, number one to go. I was then given>>position and hold, and a couple of minutes later cleared for>>takeoff. (This is basically what happened to me when I flew>a>>real aircraft flight out of SLC on Delta , about 3 months>>ago.)>>>> I had ATC the entire way on this 1250 mile flight from>>Clearance delivery at SLC , right down to the ground>>controller at Louisville telling me to taxi to the ramp. >RC4>>is one of the programs like Active Sky that turns FS9 into a>>brand new experience. >>Doesn't RC lack some interactivity yet, since it is more like>you listen all the time and click the buttons in response. Is>it possible to combine it somehow with SHOOT (voice>recognition), so it would become a 2-way voice channel? I>recall something similar was possible with Aeti ProFlight 2000>and a voice recognition software. In a real flight in the ATC controlled IFR environment you can:Ask for altitudes changesAsk for different runwaysDeclare EmergenciesDeviate for weather or turbulenceChange destinationAbort TakeoffYou can do all this with Radar Contact, the only difference is you use a key press select a menu option. I have used voice recognition before in PC's, and sometimes it can be a real pain. I prefer pressing one key, and selecting what I want to do. If you want you can even turn off the pilots reponse voice in RC4 , and just talk to your PC in place of it .. ;) Something I was thinking about this morning, quite a few people are already flying using RC4. I haven't seen anyone stating that they don't like the program.

>I haven't seen anyone stating that they don't like the programI was merely asking about adding SHOOT (or similar voice recognition) to RC not how good RC was. And I bought RC4 among the first ones when it was only available for previous RC owners. Still waiting for my daughter to bring it from NY though. In the meantime I'm just wondering if anyone has tried it with a voice recognition software. I use SHOOT in such radicomms intensive sims like Jane's F-18 and F4, F4:AF all the time and it works 100% for me adding immensly to the immersion. If there's any chance to couple RC4 with Voice Recognition that will be the first thing I'll do after installing.

What's the fps hit for using this program? Does it run outside FS9 or is it a "part of" the program that just replaces the default ATC engine?I'd imagine that it slows the sim down at least a little since it's doing "so much more"...Anyone?