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Hi,

 

irrespective of me saying "ground, p/b to the right or left", I get pushed back to the left (from the p/b driver's point of view.

Is this a known problem?

Thanks.

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Hm, now it is different. Did a flight yesterday said "p/b left" and the driver pushed me to the right.

So there seems to be a problem at least in my setup. Is anyone experiencing the same problem?

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I had a previous discussion on the foum (just search pushback) :

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One point of clarification that I always get confused about, re MCE and GSX pushback requests:

 

If one request Ground Pushback Right, is that interpreted by GSX as 'Tail right' or 'Nose right'? Is it Right from the point of view of the pilot or the pushback truck driver?

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Gerald at FSS++ answered:

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Tail Right

 

Point of view from Pushback truck.

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Stuart

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Another influencer is the AFCAD. If the author did not distinquish between left and right or both options, GSX won't follow either and will go straight or anywhere it can take you alternatively.

 

Menno

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Thank you. Yes I saw the discussion on p/b direction. I said "p/b left" but I got pushed back tail right from p/b car view.

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Just to add to this that I have experienced this anomaly as well. I read the post of Stuart's and have tried it at random airports, sometimes I get the right pushback sometimes I don't. The last one was EGKK (UK2000) stand 11 or 12 in the Dash 8, I wanted a Tail left push (from tugs point of view) but got a tail right push.

 

I'm not sure what's causing it, but I keep searching to find a link to what it might be.

 

Rob

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My GSX menu clearly says "Tail left/nose right" etc. Are you saying your menues are saying something different? Or are you activating the pushback through some other means?

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Andreh, we have the same menus as you, but when we ask for either PB left or right via MCE we aren't being pushed in the direction we are asking.

 

For example "Ground push back left" which should be aircraft tail left from the tugs view point, but we might get a push back tail to the right instead.

 

Rob

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Gerald, did you have a chance to look at this? Especially flying online it would be good to have a predictable behaviour.

Peter

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Gerald, did you have a chance to look at this? Especially flying online it would be good to have a predictable behaviour.

Peter

 

MCE doesn't do the pushing.

 

The only thing that matters is what option in GSX menu is selected and following which spoken command.

 

Once a menu selection is made, it's up to GSX.

 

 

See "phmcr" post regarding occasional hiccups with AFCAD.

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 Thanks Gerald. Then I have to click in the GSX menu popping up. I though a spoken command

would be sufficant.

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 Thanks Gerald. Then I have to click in the GSX menu popping up. I though a spoken command

would be sufficant.

 

No, there is no need to click the menu as MCE integration with GSX should cater for that.

 

What I meant was, when you tell mechanic "ground push back to the left", in MCE's world, you're asking for the tail to be pushed to "your left side", and MCE should be selecting first option in GSX menu.

 

"ground push back to the right" should get MCE to select option 2

 

"ground push back straight" should get it to select option 3.

 

If this doesn't work as above, it is something we have to look at.

 

Once the item is correctly selected, relative to spoken command, there is nothing we can do on our side to influence the push. GSX takes over after that.

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Thanks, Gerald. The problem is that GSX pushes not always into the direction I asked for. But when I click the menu I get pushed the direction

I asked for.

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Yes I have come across the same as Petermuc3, I request a push back, let's say left. The text picked up by MCE confirms I requested left, but at times I get a right pushback. I've tried this from the same stand and used GSX direct and the push back works fine no mater what direction I click.

 

Robi

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I tried the GSX p/b now several times with spoken commands and the the p/b direction was sometimes wrong sometimes right.

When I use the GSX menu I get always pushed back in the direction I asked for. So there must be something with the spoken command.

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Last night I was at LEIB stand 25, take off runway was 24. Given my stand I needed a pushback from my point of view "tail left", so from the view of the tug "tail right".

I asked for push back right, and got a push back to the right, but from my POV and not the tugs POV. So I ended up facing the wrong way, luckily I could request taxi via Taxi way Bravo rather than the assigned Alpha.

So something's amiss, but not sure what's the cause. I went back after my flight and tried the push backs via the menu and not using MCE and all requests worked as expected.

Rob

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On ‎23‎.‎02‎.‎2017 at 0:51 PM, FS++ said:

 

What I meant was, when you tell mechanic "ground push back to the left", in MCE's world, you're asking for the tail to be pushed to "your left side", and MCE should be selecting first option in GSX menu.

 

"ground push back to the right" should get MCE to select option 2

 

"ground push back straight" should get it to select option 3.

 

 

A problem might be that GSX does not always offer left, right and straight PB.

At some parking spots GSX only offers left and straight or only right and straight.

Sometimes (I guess on their own FSDT Airports) it even offers something like "pushback to Taxiway Alpha, facing North / South".

So if MCE always selects 1 for left, 2 for right and 3 for straight - without reading the actual GSX window - that won't work properly in many cases.

 

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1 hour ago, RALF9636 said:

 

A problem might be that GSX does not always offer left, right and straight PB.

At some parking spots GSX only offers left and straight or only right and straight.

Sometimes (I guess on their own FSDT Airports) it even offers something like "pushback to Taxiway Alpha, facing North / South".

So if MCE always selects 1 for left, 2 for right and 3 for straight - without reading the actual GSX window - that won't work properly in many cases.

 

With regards to the push back options I was able to have all three, left, right and straight. I would have thought MCE would have been fine with that one.

Rob

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GSX only offers the pushback options as per the airport scenery file. Using an editor such as ADE or AFX the pushback options for each gate can be changed to suit one's needs. Each gate or parking spot has the pushback arrangements built in.   Left, Right, Both, are the options available for each gate, parking spot.

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On 2/28/2017 at 6:32 PM, RALF9636 said:

 

At some parking spots GSX only offers left and straight or only right and straight.

Sometimes (I guess on their own FSDT Airports) it even offers something like "pushback to Taxiway Alpha, facing North / South".

So if MCE always selects 1 for left, 2 for right and 3 for straight - without reading the actual GSX window - that won't work properly in many cases.

 

Indeed.

That explains it. Will see what can be done.

 

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Hi Gerald,

any news on this one? For the time being I am not using MCE to initiate pushback, especially when flying online.

 

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On 4/9/2017 at 5:11 PM, Petermuc3 said:

Hi Gerald,

any news on this one? For the time being I am not using MCE to initiate pushback, especially when flying online.

 

Right now, interfacing always assumes....

Request pushback left - > Key 1

Request pushback Right - > Key 2

Request pushback straight - > Key 3

While this works for the vast majority of airport gates, obviously won't work for the odd parking from which you can only pull out one way  (and the options wouldn't be listed as expected).

Therefore, until we manage to read the actual GSX menu, if you know before hand that the gate you're at is tricky, don't trigger the push via voice, and just make the selection manually.

 

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Thanks Gerald, not sure it even works on the clearly defined airports, I got pushed to the wrong side at EDDM Mega. Will try again.

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