wdomke

Broken .AIR Installer

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Okay, I am absolutely stumped on this one.  I have been downloading and installing new aircraft almost as long as I have been doing flight sims, and have had few problems and none that couldn't be resolved, until now.  They have worked through last year, but my first attempts to download new aircraft this year failed because of a failure of the .air files to install.  I get an error message saying the installer is broken and I should download a new one from the source.

The source is Adobe and the installer is the Adobe .AIR Installer.  I have downloaded, unzipped and loaded this program and still cannot get new aircraft to install and still get the same message.  I considered the possibility that the installer might need to be installed, and I think I did that, but still no relief in view.  

I am running Windows 10 and have been with FS9 since my Windows 98 days, many moons and border crossings ago.  I am fairly computer savvy, but this one has got me buffaloed.  If anyone has encountered and resolved this problem I need your advice and counsel.  Step by step.  If I need to update the installer file, how do I get it to work?  I have researched this baby like crazy with no solution yet.

Thanks in advance.  Happy landings!!   (By the way all installed aircraft still work just fine.)

Warren

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Uhmmm, Adobe Air has NOTHING to do with FS or flight simming at all. You don't even EVER need to install .air files (the type used in FS), they are used of course but simply included in whatever aircraft you are adding to the sim.

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You need AirEd by Ed Truthan, available in the library here and elsewhere. It's a standalone program which doesn't need to be installed, you can move it to wherever you want it. When you've done that, right-click on any aircraft .air file and select 'Open with', then navigate to your AirEd program and select 'Always open programs of this type with this program'.

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Adobe Air is a program that uses the .air extension. It has nothing to do with flight simulation, and if you dont use the program I suggest you uninstall it completely.

 

As far as "installing" aircraft to FS9 is concerned you simply place the aircraft folder in the FS9 folder called "aircraft".

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Okay, I've gotten AirEd, but when I use it to try to install the aircraft all it does is open the .air file and show the contents without taking any action.  In response to some of the other answers, I have placed the aircraft folder in my FS9 "aircraft" folder, but it still doesn't load.  How can I get the .air file to load?  So far I have not been able to get it to work.  Incidentally, my existing aircraft all work just as they did before.  

Also, for those who say we don't have to install aircraft, up until recently just about every aircraft I have acquired has had to be installed in order to work.  Apparently the Adobe program has been compatible with these files until recently.  It doesn't jump out and say so, but that's the way it has worked.  I have installed the B-29, B-47 and several other aircraft using this utility.  I am stuck now, though.  

Thanks for replies so far.  We still haven't hit the target, but I know more.

Warren

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Hello Warren,


I have not flown FS9 or installed any software / Aircraft or Scenery to FS9 for a very very long time. I am only mildly more modern with my FSX installation.  I'm baffled by your use of AdobeAir to install third party aircraft to your copy of FS9. There are only two methods for after-market Payware or Freeware aircraft installation into your FS9 Simulator, and this is the same for any of the latest Flightsims FSX / P3D. 

1.) a.) (Automated .EXE installer) the Vendor or Freeware developer uses an Installer ********.exe (Click installer) for the software installation, Sometimes requiring the package to be unzipped/ extracted to a temp folder first, then double clicking the .EXE to begin the process of installation. Either requiring you to type your purchase detail product Key/date through the automated process. 
1.) b.) Or if Freeware, this .exe installer method will take care of the automated installation process with no keys required.

The Zip package or .exe installer, once extracted from a Zip will normally include documentation / installation advice / readme docs. Many addon aircraft will later include this documentation into the Aircrafts install folder in the FS9 \Aircraft folder upon completion.

2.) (Manual - extraction of a .Zip file containing the Aircraft) (with all its associated component parts including the .air file) then moving the Folders or components to the correct folders as decribed in the package readme document. installation instructions are usually supplied in a readme.txt file explaining where each folder or folders content needs to be placed within your sim for the aircraft and all its components to display and operate as the developer intended.

I have not ever needed, or attempted to install using AdobeAir or AirEd.

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On 5/9/2017 at 7:42 PM, wdomke said:

Okay, I am absolutely stumped on this one.  I have been downloading and installing new aircraft almost as long as I have been doing flight sims, and have had few problems and none that couldn't be resolved, until now.  They have worked through last year, but my first attempts to download new aircraft this year failed because of a failure of the .air files to install.  I get an error message saying the installer is broken and I should download a new one from the source.

The source is Adobe and the installer is the Adobe .AIR Installer.  I have downloaded, unzipped and loaded this program and still cannot get new aircraft to install and still get the same message.  I considered the possibility that the installer might need to be installed, and I think I did that, but still no relief in view.  

If you are getting error messages from the Adobe Air program when you install an addon aircraft, then my guess is that Adobe Air is wrongly detecting the aircraft's .air file as having something to do with it, and possibly messing with it.  Disable AdobeAir or just don't let it run when you are installing an aircraft. 

21 hours ago, A32xx said:

You need AirEd by Ed Truthan, available in the library here and elsewhere. It's a standalone program which doesn't need to be installed, you can move it to wherever you want it. When you've done that, right-click on any aircraft .air file and select 'Open with', then navigate to your AirEd program and select 'Always open programs of this type with this program'.

AirEd is for editing .air files, not for installing them.  You don't need it to install an addon aircraft, an .air file or any other component of an addon aircraft.  I have installed many, many addons into FS 98, 2002, 9 and 10, and never did anything to specifically install the .air file other than to copy it from an installer package into the aircraft's folder.    If you have an installation .exe file, whether payware or freeware, it will do that for you.

Are you seeing the .air file in the folder of the aircraft you have installed?  There is a file called "aircraft.cfg" in the folder of every installed aircraft.  Here are the first few lines of a typical entry for a livery in the aircraft.cfg file.  The line "sim=" must have the correct name of the .air file that is also in that aircraft's folder.

[fltsim.0]
title=Beech Baron 58 Paint1
sim=Beech_Baron_58  //This line should have the name of the .air file for your aircraft (without the ".air" extension).
model=
panel=
sound=

Mike

 

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4 hours ago, Mike777 said:

AirEd is for editing .air files, not for installing them.

 

Correct, but associating your .air files with AirEd instead of Adobe Air will stop the erroneous error messages when installing new aircraft.

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13 hours ago, wdomke said:

Apparently the Adobe program has been compatible with these files until recently.  It doesn't jump out and say so, but that's the way it has worked.  

Thanks for replies so far.  We still haven't hit the target, but I know more.

Warren

From Adobe's FAQs:

"Adobe AIR is a cross-operating-system runtime that lets developers combine HTML, JavaScript, Adobe Flash® and Flex technologies,and ActionScript® to deploy rich Internet applications (RIAs) on a broad range of devices including desktop computers, netbooks, tablets, smartphones, and TVs. AIR allows developers to use familiar tools such as Adobe Dreamweaver®, Flash Builder®, Flash Catalyst®, Flash Professional, or any text editor to build their applications and easily deliver a single application installer that works across operating systems."

Adobe's air program appears to you as thought it's compatible with FS2004 because the sim doesn't need or look for it.  As has been previously said remove Adobe Air from your system as you don't need it.  This won't solve whatever problem you are having but it will at least demonstrate that Adobe Air has absolutely no relevance to FS2004 and your problem.

Djivid

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10 hours ago, A32xx said:

Correct, but associating your .air files with AirEd instead of Adobe Air will stop the erroneous error messages when installing new aircraft.

OK now I understand what you are trying to do.  It turns out I have Adobe Air on my system, but files ending in .air are associated with a program called Aircraft Airfile Manager, which is similar to AirEd.  However I think the O.P., Warren, could just associate .air files with any benign program such as notepad. AirEd or Aircraft Airfile Manager would allow him to view and even edit .air files I don't have a clear understanding of just what Adobe Air does, but if it's not associated with .air files it's probably harmless. 

On 5/9/2017 at 7:42 PM, wdomke said:

Thanks in advance.  Happy landings!!   (By the way all installed aircraft still work just fine.)


Warren, just to reiterate, you don't need an installer for the .air files that come with addon aircraft.  You just need Adobe Air to stop getting involved.  Think of it as something like an antivirus program that keeps finding non-existent viruses in legitimate FS installer programs or files.  Shut it off and ignore its warnings.  If necessary open Task Manager and kill its process.

If the .air file is there in the aircraft folder of a newly installed aircraft (found in FS9\Aircraft., with a name appropriate the installed aircraft such as B737-400), then just start FS9 and see if you can load the aircraft. 

Mike

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The particular aircraft I am trying to install is a B-52.  The downloaded file looks good, but it does include the .air file which is labeled as such.  I have not been able to load the aircraft as of yet.  I have been able to adjust the .cfg files to do modifications or add paint schemes or liveries without any problems.  A number of my past downloads have included the .air files, and usually I have clicked on these to install the aircraft.  However, this is no longer working.  I suspect it is a compatibility issue with the adobe installer utility and the .air files, but I have not been able to find it.  To be fair, this issue has come up with other programs that use installers.  My most recent download that had to be installed was the Virtavia B-47E, which works beautifully, and it had to be installed.  However, that particular .air file would not work if I were trying to do it now.  Thus far I have not been able to work this out.  I am going to try deleting the files and downloading again and see if I can find another way to get them to run.  I may try to do it on my laptop, since it probably doesn't have the adobe updates that I think are causing the problem.  I don't know if it will work, but I think it's worth a try.  I will certainly post the results whether it works or not.  Anyway, I am grateful for all the responses.  They have helped me to know more about how this monster is supposed to work.  I will continue to try to find a way to fix this because I am too stubborn to quit.  Thanks again.  I am not giving up.

Warren

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5 hours ago, wdomke said:

The particular aircraft I am trying to install is a B-52.  The downloaded file looks good, but it does include the .air file which is labeled as such.

Warren, can you tell us the filename of this B-52, and where you downloaded it from?

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I have actually downloaded two B-52 simulations, one from Flyaway Simulations, called BOEING B-52 FULL PACKAGE.  The other, I believe, is from Virtavia.  I have had successful downloads from Virtavia before but this is my first experience with Flyaway Simulations.  Both of these use the .air files for installation of the simulation.  The BOEING B-52 FULL PACKAGE includes the D, G and H models, the other is only the G and H.  I have tested the files on aircraft I have already installed and used and the same error message pops up.  I suspect it is a compatibility problem between the downloaded aircraft files and the Adobe Installer file, but I don't know how to fix it.

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Warren, thanks for the file info. I've downloaded the Flyaway Simulations B52, the filename is: b52dgh_x.zip

The .zip part at the end of the filename means this type of file will open with the Windows built-in Compressed Folders program, not Adobe Air. It sounds like you need to re-set your file associations in Windows, the fix for .zip files is at the bottom of this page at sevenforums:

https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/19449-default-file-type-associations-restore.html

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You're really confusing the process of installing an FS aircraft. Adobe has nothing to to do with FS in any way whatsoever nor the installation of an aircraft. Your file associations are likely messed up as pointed out by A32xx which make FS air files look like they belong to Adobe but they certainly do not. If your associations are messed up your Adobe program may try to open an FS air file and will fail because the file in FS is certainly not made for the Adobe program. Almost all FS aircraft files are self installers or zip files which you need to extract the contents of the zip to your FS folders.  

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Hi Mark, I don't think Warren's trying to install aircraft with the .air file, I think he's trying to open the .zip files he's downloaded - but his .zip files have become associated with Adobe Air so that when he double-clicks on a .zip file it launches Adobe Air instead of the zip utility. 

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Whichever file type is associated with Adobe Air, just right click on it, choose properties, then right near the top of the properties window you will see "Opens with" and the option to change it.  For .air files change it to AirEd which  you now have installed.   If it ends in Zip change it to Windows Explorer, if it isn't already set that way.

There is no such thing as installing an aircraft by clicking on the air file.  The .air file is not an installer, it is a data file that is read by FSX in conjunction with the aircraft.cfg file. 

Mike

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3 hours ago, Mike777 said:

 it is a data file that is read by FSX in conjunction with the aircraft.cfg file.

Uh?

John

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11 minutes ago, John Hinson said:

Uh?

If it's FS9 then the .air  file is a data file that is read by FS9 in conjunction with the aircraft.cfg file.

Happy?

Mike

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If he had followed the earlier advice of uninstalling Adobe Air, and your advice of re-associating .air files , this thread wouldnt now be on its second page.

 

If folk come on to forums asking for advice they should follow the advice they are given.

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Okay.  I know about .zip files.  I've been unzipping them for a good while, too.  When you unzip this one (and many others I have successfully installed) you will get an .air file which is usually in the aircraft folder for the aircraft.  Up until now I have been able to use these to install the aircraft.  Usually this has happened without any reference to Adobe AIR Installer files.  It just happened.  This process is also usually called for in the "readme" files.

I will try A32xx's suggestion on the .zip files, but I still think it's a compatibility issue with Adobe.  I have tried several times to simply place the files in the appropriate FS9 folder, without avail thus far.  But I will give this a shot and report if it works.  Thanks for all suggestions.

I think it's possible this may be a gremlin somewhere in my operating system, and I am not the only person to have experienced this installation issue.  It has happened in a number of other applications that have had to be installed.  If it is a compatibility issue, maybe Adobe will come up with a fix that works.

I do appreciate everyone's suggestions.  I have also tried most if not all suggestions, including uninstalling Adobe Air.  Fortunately I can live without this particular aircraft and I have plenty of downloaded aircraft or paint schemes already in my FS9 system.  I assure you that if any of the suggested fixes had worked for me I would have said so and then quietly returned to my corner of the hangar.

Warren

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4 hours ago, wdomke said:

Okay.  I know about .zip files.  I've been unzipping them for a good while, too.  When you unzip this one (and many others I have successfully installed) you will get an .air file which is usually in the aircraft folder for the aircraft.  Up until now I have been able to use these to install the aircraft.  Usually this has happened without any reference to Adobe AIR Installer files.  It just happened.  This process is also usually called for in the "readme" files.

Hi Warren,

If I may, I would like to try to understand better exactly what is happening.

I take it that you can unzip the file with the aircraft you want to install. 

So what happens when you just copy and paste the files and folders for your aircraft into a suitably-named folder in FS9/Aircraft?  Typically these files and folders include aircraft.cfg, a file ending in .air, a model folder w/ the model inside it, a panel folder, a sound folder.  There may also be folders with effects that have to be copied into FS9/effects and a folder with one or more gauges that  have to be copied into the FS9/Gauges folder.  At what point does this copying not work?

Mike

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Mike, the copying works.  It goes down just like it would if it were not zipped.  Problem is that it won't open in FS9.  And these are FS9 applications.  I have done editing on the .cfg files in the past--especially with repaints of existing aircraft.  I have also created a couple of panels for aircraft I downloaded that didn't have what I considered to be good panels.  No virtual cockpits yet--I'm not that smart or that brave.

I have had aircraft open that didn't have gauges on the panels, and I have found a way to put the gauges there.  So I do have a little bit of knowledge of some parts of this process.  I seem to recall in the past (when I had older computers than my current one) that I had some installer files that were .exe, and I don't recall how those worked.

AirED does open the .air file, but that's all it has done for me.  There appears to be something missing, but I haven't a clue what it is or where to find it.

Now, this isn't critical.  I would really like to have the B-52 running in my simulator, but I can live without it.  I have plenty of aircraft I have a lot of fun with as it is.  BUT...

...I don't like a machine to beat me.  Or a gremlin.

Warren

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42 minutes ago, wdomke said:

Mike, the copying works.  It goes down just like it would if it were not zipped.  Problem is that it won't open in FS9.  And these are FS9 applications.

It sounds like you do have a lot of familiarity with editing aircraft files! 

Does the aircraft show up as an option to load from the FS9 opening screen, or is it just not  showing up at all?

42 minutes ago, wdomke said:

AirED does open the .air file, but that's all it has done for me.

All that AirEd does is allow you to view and edit .air files.  It doesn't "install" them.  However if the aircraft is not showing up at all, you can use AirEd to check if it is set as an AI aircraft (which won't show up as an aircraft available to load).  Open  the .air file and see if the parameter Aircraft Type = is set to something other than 0.  AI aircraft are set to 2, which makes them invisible when you try to load an aircraft. (Don't know what 1 would do.).  If this parameter is set to 2, change it to 0 (zero) and save it. Be sure to back up the .air file before you modify it.  See if you can then load the aircraft.

You should also check that the entry in the aircraft.cfg file for each livery is pointing to the name of the .air file (as I explained a few posts ago).

Mike

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I downloaded the B-52 to see what it involved to install it. All that needs to be done is:

1. Extract the folder B-52D_G_X_GMAX and B-52H_GMAX to the FS Aircraft folder

2. Extract the contents of the Effects folder to the FS Effects folder

The B-52 is then installed and will be found under Boeing in FS.

No need to do anything with .air files. I think you may be getting confused regarding .air files because they may be showing up for you as Installer Package under the Type area. The .air files are not actually installer files to install the plane. All that needs to be done is use the install procedure I have outlined above and the plane will be installed and will work. The FS .air files are showing as Adobe .air files on my system as well as I have many Adobe products installed. The FS .air file has simply been wrongly associated with Adobe. The .air file in FS has nothing to do with Adobe and nothing to do with an aircraft installation for FS. You do not click on it to install a plane. Hope that clears things up?

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