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Guest Peter Sidoli

I had to fly from the UK to Lugano Switzerland to retrieve a Citation 500 which had been snowed in.I flew scheduled from Heathrow to Zurich and caught a connecting flight in a Saab 2000 to Lugano.We removed and cleaned off the Citation and I then flew her back to the UK.These shots are interesting as they show what the mountains should look like under snow.Do try the very hazardous approach into Lugano the glideslope is an amazing 6.65 deg (anyone know what the steepest glideslope in the world is ?)Follow the link to the screenshot forumhttp://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...g_id=1326&page=Peterhttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/140666.jpg

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Nice shots Peter, would have been a fun flight. I'll have to try that approach out and no, I don't know what the steepest glideslope is but I'm sure it is going to reveal itself sometime in this thread.Safe flyin'

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Hmmm just had a quick try at the Lugano IGS RWY 01 ... steep indeedee! I like the way one has to ignore the PAPI until passing D3.0 ILU. :)Is there any addon scenery for Lugano BTW?Edit* This one looks good : http://www.cr-software.com/en/VFRAirfields_Swiss_01a.htmhttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/140686.jpg

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Guest Peter Sidoli

EdI am hoping that FSX will give us the whole of the Alps in high detail.I too would like addon scenery for Lugano.Peter

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I am salty because Europe has stolen the U.S. East Coast's winter. :) ;)Hey edetroit, which Citation is that? It doesn't look like the eaglesoft version to me (looks a little better).

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Awesome shots Peter.How far is Lugano from Zurich. That whole area must be a great place to visit. I have a friend who did a train trip through the Alps to Milan, and he still raves about it years after. Our Rockies (out where I live) are quite different.Bruce.

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>Awesome shots Peter.>>How far is Lugano from Zurich. That whole area must be a>great place to visit. I have a friend who did a train trip>through the Alps to Milan, and he still raves about it years>after. Our Rockies (out where I live) are quite different.>>Bruce.>BruceLugano to Zurich is around 140 NM to the north. Milan Malpensa is the closest major airport. Lowish level over the Alps is the most spectacular way to go. I did a trip in a Seneca five VFR Sion to Milan Linate at around 11000 feet and it was an amazing trip flying a few hundred feet above glaciers and past the Matterhorn and Mont Blanc which towered above to nearly 16000 feet.The Capatain of the Saab 2000 must have a great and challenging job hopping between the airfields tucked away in those awesome mountains.Flying a jet isnt as much fun apart from the initial climbout. Soon even Mont Blanc looks small.Peter

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Thanks for the info Peter. I agree that the regionals must have a ball getting in and out of the places! Bruce.

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Try the ILS approach into Sion....in cloudy weather...quite thrilling. I believe you pick-up the glide slope at about 11,000 ft IIRC, and 'dive bomb' into the valley to a localizer off-set the RWY HDG and 'set away' from the threshold by about 1/2 mile. If cloudy, you hopefully break into clear visibility to make your alignment to the threshold....pretty tough to keep speed down on these GS's/conditions.I've only flown these in FS, but IMO, Sion is actually a bit more scary than Lugano.I've been sim flying in allot of maountainous regions lately, and 6% slopes are not entirely unusual. No doubt 'earpopping' approaches in real life at VS 1,000 fps +

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Very nice pics:).Lugano approach is one of my favorites in fs2004.I have a video from Just planes which follows various Crossair flights, one of which is Basel-Lugano and return flight in a Saab 2000, stunning flight, from memory I think the captain landed on RW 19 and his final turn was VERY close to a mountain on the left.Must dig the video out and watch it again.John

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Hello Ahuimanu, the Citation is freeware by VENEAVIONES CESSNA CITATION II ..find the model here at AVSIMand the paint is by me: http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?DLID=...hor=&CatID=rootThe panel is also by me but OMHDO.

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I too have flown into Sion in FS and it was something.In real life, I have been through there. Most of the valleys I saw in Switz had very steep sides. It wasn't like Colorado USA topography at all. The Lauterbrunnen valley (north of Sion) has almost vertical sides at one point near Murren.Rhett

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I have vacationed in the Swiss alps (Interlaken, Bern, Zug, and Sion region) and it IS great to visit. The year I was there they had a warm winter, so the skiing was not as good as usual, they said. But the trip made up for it by the scenery. Just taking trains around to these little towns was great. I suggest taking the train from Interlaken up the Lauterbrunnen valley to Grindelwald. The town of Murren is only accessible by cog railway, and it's neat.Finally, if you are familiar with James Bond movies, the 1969 "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" was filmed nearby. The final scene where Bond went after Telly Savalas (the bad guy in the movie) was shot at the Schilthorn. I skied down that run where the guys were shooting at Bond in the movie. :)Definitely a great trip you should do. Especially if you're into FS, hehe. I have pics very much like Peter's, where you can see the cloud deck obscuring the valley floor. I skied into one of those cloud decks. Talk about scary, especially since they don't mark their ski runs very much in that place. You are right, it's NOTHING like Colorado.Rhett

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Hi Rhett,I wish that I was closer to the Alps so that I could do some of these trips, they sound awesome.In my country of birth, New Zealand, there are the Southern Alps, named after the European alps as they are very similar in profile, although the mountains in New Zealand are not as high. Good thread, Bruce.

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Guest Peter Sidoli

RhettI skied last winter In Mirabelle and Courcheval as well as three days in Val D"Isere.Having taken a major fall I took a day off and took myself up to the very short Altiport at Mirabelle.I went with an instructor in a little french Ski plane. The strip was around 6500 feet asl and only 1600 feet long built like a downhill launchpad.We flew over the area of the French Alps.Coming back into land you had to land up hill. On touch down it was a case of adding full power to get to the top of the slope.I am hoping that in FSX MS will make the whole Alpine range as extreme detail. They should create it as an aviation playground for gliders, Ski planes, Helicopters and challenging approaches for Biz Jets.Peter

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In FS, I can see that we should fly to Zurich in our LDS B76's or PMDG 744's; then hop into an ATR, PC12, or something else that realistically flies low enough to actually see the Alps, and is able to get into some of these airports. What we need is a flight plan that takes us through the Alps via these interesting airports- that could be fun. :)Bruce.

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You guys are making me want to fly in Switzerland now in FS. Make your own flight plan. Start at Zurich, fly southeast towards the Dolomites, and do touch and go's on all the strips going westward...until you hit Mirabelle as Peter describes. I wonder if those strips are all in FS.Or maybe "hit" is not the appropriate word for Mirabelle. haha.Peter's description of his experience there is to me a scary one. I was scared enough a few years ago as a pax on an MD-80 landing at KORD with a very low ceiling and a high crosswind. When the rear wheels touched down, it seemed like an eternity to wait for the pilot to bring the front end of the plane toward the centerline...Rhett

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