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Meigs Field GONE????

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I flew into Chicago (real commercial flight) and as it was a very clear day, I looked out the window to enjoy the real life scenery, but as we passed Meigs Field, it wasn't there!!!! The land mass was there, but there was no runway visible, just dirt. Did they close this field down? Is it closed just for the winter? Anybody who lives in Chicago know what happened? I grew up in Chicago, but haven't been back for years. If it's not there anymore, Microsoft needs to update the Chicago scenery files.Thanks,Bruce

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I think it was 6-8 months ago, (correct me if I am wrong), that The Mayor of Chicago, instructed crews of bulldozers and graders to go into Meigs at night, and rip up the runways to make Meigs non functional. They did leave one taxiway so that light aircraft which were still at the field could take off one last time.Do a google search and I'm sure you will find Meigs closing, it's been a running battle in Chicago for a few years now, the government wanting to close it along with some developers, and the flying public wanting it to stay open . . . bottom line is, the Govt. won!Best,Clayhttp://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...ers/Dopke01.jpgClayton T. Dopke (Clay)Major, USAF (retired)"Drac"

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Hi Bruce,It has been closed down for over a year now. It got torn up in the middle of the night. Some planes had to take off from the taxi ways. The fine mayor thought it was a security risk. Look for it to be no more in the next version of FS.Hope this helps,JimActiveSky Supporthttp://www.hifisim.com/images/as2004proudsupporter.jpg

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Basically the mayor and a gang with bulldozers went out and vandalized the field in the middle of the night. All in the name of national security.Only in America.

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WOW I didnt think anyone could have missed that one. There were numerous articles and threads in the forums for weeks after the closing.

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I am not sure, but I though I read, that although the mayor gave the order for removal, it was really his wife who was the one behind the airfields destruction.

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Guess I've been living in a fool's paradise. Feel kind of sad. Oh well, change is part of life, I guess. Some things about Chicago haven't changed since I grew up there. The Mayor (Richard J. Daley, at the time) ruled with an iron fist. We always tried to look on the bright side. At least the streets were always plowed. Guess they got carried away with the plowing.Best to all,Bruce

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The Mayor of Chigaco is a bottom feeding criminal. I feel sorry for any decent citizen living under his rule.

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It is sad. http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2003/03-1-157x.htmlthat website shows the damage done to it about a year ago. I remember my first flights on Flight Simulator out of Meigs. I also hated that #### Microsoft Blimp that hovered over the stadium next to it. Anyone remember in FS2000 I think where they had the moving cars (glowing dots that moved) on the roads there?

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<> With respect...no he didn't. He wants to put a park there and he wants to put a park there so that there can be more concessions that the city can license and take a piece of the action on...if not bribes to get the concession which has been known to happen on occasion in Chicago.And oh, yeah...what a perfect place for Chicago's first "water based" gambling casino.wink wink...nudge nudge....(:

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That does a disservice to bottom feeders as they are making a life for themselves as they have done for many millions of years. Politicians on the other hand,in every country and of every persuasion, are just self-important, self-serving, money grabbing,loathsome creatures of our own creation. Unfortunately for the rest of us our best intentions for society bring out the slimy and the lazy and then we vote for them!!Anyway here's a simple picture which shoes us the magic of flight sim and why we don't bother too much with politicians. http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/106928.jpg

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It was an early Sunday, March morning still under the cover of dark and triple overtime. When the bulldozers (with police escort) pulled into meigs at about 3am, the airport was of course still closed. They quickly before sun up had most of the X's carved in the runways. This was done so no reporters wouldn't find out about it quickly enough to show it in action. Also to stop a lawsuits/injunctions filed by groups like Friends of Meigs Field.When asked about the destruction for weeks, Mayor Daley said "this was done for security reasons. I don't want any small planes taking off from Meigs loaded with explosives and flying into one of our downtown buildings." After press houndings, Daley finally admitted that security had nothing to do with Meigs closing. Instead he said "I wanted a park there".This was about a year after the Mayor and Gov. at the time Jim Ryan had reached and agreement to keeps Meigs open until at the very least 2007. Possibly as long as 25 years in exchange for the Govenors support for expansion at Ohare airport. Well, a few months before the Meigs destruction a new Gov. took the "oath of office" and the Ohare plans kind of fell a part. Daley as he tends to do acting like a 12 year old wanted revenge for at least the delay of one of his "legacy" projects that being Ohare Expansion. So only a few months later Daley decided since Meigs in on park district land he needed no public input, no legislative approval; he sent in the bulldozers before anyone could stop him. Later it was learned that Daley had perhaps used Federal money earmarked for Ohare to bulldoze Meigs, which of course would be illegal. Believe that is still under investgation. The City was fined for closing Meigs by the FAA from not giving 30 days notice. But that fine was mere "walkin around" money and was easily written off.Last week it was announced that Clear Channel Entertainment would build a outdoor music venue on Meigs land(offically called Northerly Island). Believe it was 3,000 seats or so don't remember the exact number. The rest of the island would be park land/small beach. Its funny since if the city needs anything its certainly not more lakeside parks and even less so lakeside music venues. Grant Park with it music venue is only blocks away! Plus there is another that escapes me at the moment.Friends of Meigs has pushed a compromise proposal for over a year now would would rebuild a small airstrip, keep quite a bit of the park land and add a small beach. But when a mayor sends in the dozers in a 3am gestapo style, doubt any compromise could be reached.Since this has happened Daley has had to be on the defensive of Scandals in City gov. and back rooms deals run amok. If Daley does happen this lose his relection this year, you could look back to the Meigs destruction to the start of his downfall. Its has been one scandal after another since. Too many to mention which is sad. Of course him losing is based on the fact that Alan Keyes wont be running for Mayor.If Daley were to lose, I certainly think its possible that one day Meigs could come back in some form. Since the Friends of Meigs plan was funnded via Federal money.

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I was reminded yet again by this post, that this kind of political chicanery is a daily occurance all over the world, not just here in germany! Although they are always a lot more subtle than "Mr.Bulldozer" Daly, the polititians here are just as sneaky... General Aviation here is expensive and fraught with difficulty; and germany is a country in the heart of europe, with all that entails: The majority of the airspace divided between controlled air space and military air traffic zones, and then the GA scurrying along, zig-zagging between them!Add to that the high cost of a PPL in germany, very expensive Avgas, and the rules and regulation jungle here, and you can see why GA here is in a sorry state.Although they have their share of problems too, I envy the GA in america:They still enjoy a relative freedom, and america is big enough to be able to fly in uncontrolled airspace for long enough to have some fun.My dream is to win the lottery, then I'll emigrate to alaska, and get a job flying beavers!BestGrahame (EDHL)Edited once for speling!

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Donny AKA ShalomarFly 2 ROCKS!!!I have only flown there virtually but I am sad to see Meigs gone. I just went thru there from LXV en route to my "home" airport of KABE. I remember well squeezing the 737, 767 and A320 into Meigs with good ol' Sublogic's ATP. I will probably restore Meigs if it is deleted from future sims, atleast scenery files can't be bulldozed.Best Regards, Donny:-wave

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If some city officials have their way... this is what will happen to KBKL Burke Lakefront in Cleveland also for same reasons. A bit larger than Meigs, but a very similar style airport.

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Donny AKA ShalomarFly 2 ROCKS!!!Allentown PA is exerting a lot of pressure to close their municipal airport. Slated to become a possible site for a slots parlor now that PA has limited gambling. My dad and I took real world lessons there and I used it as a hangout spot for years. The same authority that runs KABE in PA now runs the municipal, they do NOT want it shut down saying no room for all those planes where they would likely wind up and they want to keep KABE's attractive resulting lower traffic going. Less flight delays for the comercial carriers that service KABE.At least scenery files can't be bulldozed.:-wave I still enjoy seeing World Trade Center when I fly to NYC.

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Personally, i dont see why some sort of charges could not be pressed against this rat mayor for leaving atleast 10 aircraft stranded. I dont know the whole story, but what i have read on here and the AOPA site, this man was completely out of line, and is nothing more than a man with no brains controlling a major city in this country. I think it would be noticed if some one was placing a 200 or 300 lbs of C4 in a Cessna 172. The security issue is to be dealt with by Homeland Security or the DOD. He was in no way, shape or for fit to make that choice.

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I think the following descride mr. rat mayor::-bat:-bang:-hang:-sae:-ukliamI wish that what he did would be enough to remove him from office

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Mayor Daley was quoted as saying it was a security risk and as recall, he even tried to say the TSA was involved in the decision, towhich the TSA promptly said they had no knowledge of the Meigs closing. After that, he came clean and said he removed it to put a park in.----------------------------------------------------------------John S. MorganReal World: KGEG, UND Aerospace Spokane Satillite, Private 130+ hrs.Virtual: MSFS 2004"There is a feeling about an airport that no other piece of ground can have. No matter what the name of the country on whose land it lies, an airport is a place you can see and touch that leads to a reality that can only be thought and felt." - The Bridge Across Forever: A Love Story by Richard Bach

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