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Guest monsoon

Holy crap. Thats 3 757's we will egt to choose from. I guees we will see who is the real "titan". My bets are LDS for systems, and I think maybe capt sim for model. I dont own any capt sim but from all their screens they sure look nice. If Pss makes a panel as crisp and clear as their 777 I would put them on the top for that.

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I own the CS Hercules and I believe when they release the 757 you willsee that the systems and model surpass the LD. ce

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Guest A32X

Very beautiful model! :-) However I can't see them tocuhing the Level-D guys systems wise.

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Looking at the initial preview screenshots of the CS 757 vs the initial preview screenshots of the PSS 757 they are absolutely night and day. The CS screenies look like real world photographs and the PSS screenshots look like screenshots of rendered FS 2004 aircraft. I don't think anyone knows what the LDS version looks like so judgement is reserved but their 767 does look very good.I think that, at the end of the day, the fight will be between CS and LDS. CS panels are amazingly crisp and photorealistic and they do a great job with systems. LDS of course has systems accuracy but they go the extra mile with other bells and whistles that take them over the top.From a flight model standpoint I think here again CS and LDS have the real world pilot resources on their respective teams to fine tune their flight models to perfection.As far as PSS, I have to say that I am a little pessimistic. The PSS 777 visual model is nice but I think that the freeware viual Meljet model (and even some freeware AI 777 modles) blow it away (imho). From a flight model standpoint there are some glaring issues. And from a systems standpoint there are some hugely glaring omissions although not a bad rendition. I think that PSS will have to crank it up quite a few notches to swim with the big fish given this level of competition. Even small design choices like having ALL DOORS open when trying to open one door are decisions that make me shake my head.Then again, as far as CS goes, I'll believe that there will be a 757 when I see a 757 released. I think that the mysterious disappearance of the 767 needs to be explained. It may end up being LDS vs PSS and that probably needs to comparison as some things are better left unsaid.

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Guest FattyBear

I won't even bother with any other 757 but the LDS 757. I know what LDS is capable of and what they do is awesome. PSS 777 was rushed to released and buggy, mine has been hangared since 10 minutes after I bought it, CS, well, I just don't like CS.

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Judging from the support history, the added value, etc., the LDS version seems to be the way to go. As for PSS, I'm extremely disappointed with the poor support they are offering for their now almost 3 month old 777 release. I used to be a huge fan of PSS, had and used all their aircrafts for FS 2000. But they have really gone downhill. Just compare the score they received for the 777 in contrast to their scores for their previously released addons. I suspect that PSS needs a major attitude/manpower/talent overhaul on the scale what Captain Sim is trying to pull off in order to again become fully competitive. ricardo

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Guest Pabra

They (lds & cs) will be close; When the cs727 was released ('04) it was miles ahead of the competition in all regions. Now the rest have come alongside in terms of visuals and systems. But we know what to expect from lds; captain sim will be a surprise.......a nice one I hope! paul@ehgg

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Guest JTEK99

>captain sim will be a surprise.......a nice one I hope! Paul:That is, of course, if they actually release it before FS XXIV; coherent release schedules aren't their fort

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>They (lds & cs) will be close; When the cs727 was released>('04) it was miles ahead of the competition in all regions.>Now the rest have come alongside in terms of visuals and>systems. But we know what to expect from lds; captain sim will>be a surprise.......a nice one I hope! >>paul@ehgg Captain Sim come close to LVL-D? You are kidding right? LVL-D is LIGHT YEARS ahead of anything system wise, I can see nothing touching their 757 as nothing comes remotely close to their 767. Now panel wise I bet CS will surpass LVL-D but eye candy without substance is just that. But hey, there are many people who have never read a real AOM and yet praise certain aircraft as first rate simulations... ...............Randy J. Smith................A PROUD MEMBER OF THE PMDG BETA TEAM[h4]Evolution is a process that results in heritable changes in a population spread over many generations[/h4]

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Hi Randy:So...when you say: "LVL-D is LIGHT YEARS ahead of anything system wise"and"I can see nothing touching their 757 as nothing comes remotely close to their 767"Are you implying that the PMDG 737NG and 747 are that far behind LDS that they are in a same grouping with PSS and CS? Those are very broad and sweeping statements especially from someone on a competing beta team! As a journalist, can I read something into those statements? :-)There can be no doubt that the LDS team pioneered the high fidelity flight deck for FS 2004 but the PMDG team has long since caught up with their 747-400 release. I am just a little astonished to see you use the words ANYTHING and NOTHING being able to touch LDS!I wonder how can you positively surmise that the CS 757 will be "eye candy without substance" when no specs have been released by CS and all we have to go on are 3 screenshots???? Don't you think such statements are a tad premature. Don't you think that we should see the quality of the fruit that is harvested BEFORE we condemn the land as being barren???? And does one REALLY need to read an AOM to give praise when praise in itself is subjective and purely in the eye of the beholder and not commonly found in an AOM?

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I will be getting this one. The 757 is one of my favorite planes. The screenshots they put up look fantastic!

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Guest monsoon

well LDS does already have a good structure for the 767. since a lot of systems are the same, a lot of their work is already done

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"And does one REALLY need to read an AOM to give praise when praise in itself is subjective and purely in the eye of the beholder and not commonly found in an AOM?"Anybody can praise a product, without knowing WHY they are praising the product.However, a reviewer who praises a product (without knowing WHY they are praising) does themselves and their readers a grave disservice.As Wm. Shakespeare wrote: "Better a witty fool than a foolish wit."http://www.ldsflyingclub.com/siggies/ds.gif

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"Anybody can praise a product, without knowing WHY they are praising the product." - I cannot think of too many situations where ANYONE will just blither praise on a product without knowing why they feel that way. Rather I can think of MANY situations where many will heap negative statements en mass without even owning a product in the act of prejudging. Praise is not an instinctive, "knee jerk" reaction so I think that your statement may be vastly invalid more than it is ever true.And as far as the "reviewer" comment, not sure where you are going with that tangent but my assumption is that every reviewer at least attempts to convey his: "I like product x because...." therefore a reason is given WHY it is liked...whether you agree or not with the reasoning.As Wm Shakespear wrote: "Love looks not with the eyes, but with the mind."

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Guest Longbow

I dont think its fair to judge CS or even LDS for that matter by their previous products. All addon developers always strive to exceed the quality of their previous products and the expectations of the customers (though, ofcourse, this is not the case for everyone). I really think that LDS will make a nice product as will CS so there is no point in arguing which is better at this point. And as for PSS, well.. its PSS.

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>Rather I can think of MANY situations where many will>heap negative statements en mass without even owning a product>in the act of prejudging. Praise is not an instinctive, "knee>jerk" reaction so I think that your statement may be vastly>invalid more than it is ever true.It's "en masse", actually.And, I disagree, praise is tossed around like pennies... >And as far as the "reviewer" comment, not sure where you are>going with that tangent but my assumption is that every>reviewer at least attempts to convey his: "I like product x>because...." therefore a reason is given WHY it is>liked...whether you agree or not with the reasoning.The REVIEWER comment was to illustrate that you - as a reviewer - are bound by a higher standard than the rest of the forum dwellers who shoot from the hip on a public bulletin board.Understanding the aircraft, its systems and its history, should be a prerogative to writing a review for a sophisticated add-on product. In other words, reading "sections" of an AOM to test the product might prove enlightening. Reading the manual might prove useful. Trying the tutorials might be useful. Money is being exchanged, so a review does carry weight.No ulterior motive here... just my point of view on what a reviewers responsibilities should be.>As Wm Shakespear wrote: "Love looks not with the eyes, but>with the mind."As Peewee Herman said: "La la la connect the dots..."http://www.ldsflyingclub.com/siggies/ds.gif

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Guest J_Niny

IMHO the FMC is always the "achiles heel" of those addons, then let`s agree that LDS is years ahead from CS in that department.:-smile12 Look the Feelthere B733, it was realized 2 months ago, had 6 or 7 patchs and it still having basic issues. No comment about PSS. LOLJorge Niny

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Guest Len

Capt Sim has no problems with implementing "systems". Their 727 surely showed that and then their C-130. That in combo with their usually geat outside models and beautiful panels insures that it will be a winner. Other negative comments usually evince an agenda at Capt Sim bashing.

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> IMHO the FMC is always the "achiles heel" of those addons, then let`s agree that LDS is years ahead from CS in that department.What are you talking about? CS has never released a Boeing with an FMC. Also, the LD is far from perfect. There's major issues with the LOC capture.

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Guest J_Niny

>CS has never released a Boeing>with an FMC. That`s the problem, sir. :-smile12.I think that you didn`t understand my post. Talking about Know How and years of experience, you know.>Also, the LD is far from perfect. There's major>issues with the LOC capture.I do not agree, sorry. Here it

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Daryl:You are absolutely right sir. Reviewers are held to a higher standard and truly have to justify our conclusions regarding our reviews with total lucidity. I've learned long ago that the Avsim community actually reads this stuff AND takes it very seriously (as they should) :-DYes, its not enough to say, "I like" or "don't like" but it is necessary to truly justify the point with concrete factual data. So I'll shut up now and raise my beer to you. :-badteethAs Socrates said: "...I drank WHAT?!"

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Hey Mike, I believe I did not make myself clear enough. I was strictly talking about a 767/757 and not other Boeings. LDS is the bar for systems on the 767. The 757 is not very different than it's bigger brother. The panels are virtually the same. To be able to reach the LDS product we have today one will need well over 5 years of development with a team of experts and developers who do it not soley based upon financial considerations but because of a love for the hobby and the aircraft one replicates. This is what sets apart great developers like LDS and the likes of "Abacus" to name a few. ...............Randy J. Smith................A PROUD MEMBER OF THE PMDG BETA TEAM[h4]Evolution is a process that results in heritable changes in a population spread over many generations[/h4]

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>Capt Sim has no problems with implementing "systems". Their>727 surely showed that and then their C-130. That in combo>with their usually geat outside models and beautiful panels>insures that it will be a winner. Other negative comments>usually evince an agenda at Capt Sim bashing. Funny most guys who know about a real 727 have nothing but dust collecting on their CS 727s. Who cares about bashing? If you make a kite out of rock then people might say something about how it does not work like a real kite! (Not saying CS made a rock or a kite but you get the picture). If you want a great model of a 727 look no further than Flight 1's/DreamFleet 727, this IS the standard but there are always those guys who just love to flu from spot view and could care less about what it's based upon. ...............Randy J. Smith................A PROUD MEMBER OF THE PMDG BETA TEAM[h4]Evolution is a process that results in heritable changes in a population spread over many generations[/h4]

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