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Carenado C208 (and Cargomaster) released for XP11

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I see Carenado have today released a new XP11-only C208.   It looks nice but most of the panel pics on their site are at night!    I'm wondering if it's essentially the same VC as in their 2010-released C208 for FSX, or whether it's been re-modelled at all.

http://www.carenado.com/CarSite/Portal/index.php?accion=product&correl=199

Quite fancy a Caravan in X-Plane :)

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Go ahead JYW and let us know. You know you want it :biggrin: I was curious too! I just bought their Seminole so I have to wait and fly this one for awhile.

Bob

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43 minutes ago, N1G said:

Go ahead JYW and let us know. You know you want it :biggrin: I was curious too! I just bought their Seminole so I have to wait and fly this one for awhile.

Bob

I don't own the XP10 version of the Carenado C208, which makes it a little easier to justify forking out for this XP11 specific version! :biggrin:   I suspect I will cave in and pick it up soon.   The Seminole is pretty good in X-Plane,eh? ; definitely one of the better Carenado XP offerings.

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I've got the C208 for XP10, but I'm going to get this one too.  I believe I'm going to wait until Simmarket gets it.  It's getting too hard for me to find all of my purchases in my account at Carenado, since they don't have any kind of search or filter, and I have so many of their aircraft.

Simmarket has a great search and filter function for all of your purchases. I don't think anyone can match it.

 

Bob

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11 minutes ago, FSXtreme said:

I've got the C208 for XP10, but I'm going to get this one too.  I believe I'm going to wait until Simmarket gets it.  It's getting too hard for me to find all of my purchases in my account at Carenado, since they don't have any kind of search or filter, and I have so many of their aircraft.

Simmarket has a great search and filter function for all of your purchases. I don't think anyone can match it.

 

Bob

Totally agree Bob.   The first purchase in my Simmarket account goes back to 2006 and I have a list so long, it would take me forever to scroll down it! :biggrin:   But never had any issues re-downloading old products (or indeed finding them) there.  

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Yes, the Seminole is enjoyable. Never flew one but on landing flare it will drop like a rock if you don't have the proper airspeed. It is downright fun to fly.Thanks Carenado!  Please convert the 337?

Bob

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1 hour ago, JYW said:

Totally agree Bob.   The first purchase in my Simmarket account goes back to 2006 and I have a list so long, it would take me forever to scroll down it! :biggrin:   But never had any issues re-downloading old products (or indeed finding them) there.  

Bill, I can relate. My purchases with Simmarket go back as far as yours.  That's a long time, and I can still download the first thing that I ever purchased from them. I have stuff that they don't even sell anymore, yet the product download is still there and available whenever I want it. It's really amazing!

I have tried to, for the most part, purchase my Carenado aircraft from the Carenado web store, but it is getting ridiculously hard to locate individual products and updates that I might be looking for.  Until the fix that, I'm going to buy their stuff from Simmarket now.

With Simmarket, all I have to do is type the name of any product that I have purchased in the search box and "Bingo", there is my purchase, ready for me to re-download.

Also, Simmarket is the only online store that tells me as soon as any product that I purchase from them is updated in any way. I get an email with the name of the new download that I can just copy/paste into the "Download" search box and "Bingo", there is my updated download. No one compares to Simmarket for customer service.  

Even with Aerosoft, I have to find updates by fishing through their forums or through the Avsim forums.  It's hit and miss. They have never sent me an email telling me that a product I purchased from them is updated.

I've made purchases from Flightsim Store, but never receive any notice of updates.

Even with X-Plane.org, the only way that I know that a product has been updated, is when they start selling it as a new product in their store. If I see the Rotate MD80 or FF767, advertised like a new product in their store, I know that I need to re-download it because it's been updated.

PC Aviator is probably one of the worst because they don't even let you re-download your purchases after the download expires. So I buy very little from them. Also they don't notify you of any updates to products. At least that has been my experience.

JustFlight is not too bad, but they don't have any search/filter for purchases either. It's just listed in my downloads.

I wish all of the webstores would take an example from Simmarket. It would be nice.

 

Bob

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I have downloaded and installed it, but I have not flown it yet

One thing I discovered, is that it does not use the liveries from the XP10 version, so I will still be flying the XP10 one in XP11

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10 hours ago, rat7 said:

I have downloaded and installed it, but I have not flown it yet

One thing I discovered, is that it does not use the liveries from the XP10 version, so I will still be flying the XP10 one in XP11

Let us know what you think.

Bob

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19 minutes ago, N1G said:

Let us know what you think.

Bob

I will, on Sunday or Monday (my days off) I will fly it and see if it is really that different from the XP10 version

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23 minutes ago, rat7 said:

I will, on Sunday or Monday (my days off) I will fly it and see if it is really that different from the XP10 version

That'd be great.   Although PBR is a fantastic effect, I'm hoping that the new version isn't 'just' the addition of PBR materials and textures.   Very hard to see from the screenshots on Carenado's website to see if the VC has been updated at all.

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Yes, screenshots are difficult, and that is why the dev's reputation is what you should lean on first IMO.

Bob

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5 minutes ago, steve310002 said:

So no discount X-Plane 10 owners like myself then from what I can see :( 

I am not sure what the deal is there. Contact them and then post back if you would.

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3 hours ago, steve310002 said:

So no discount X-Plane 10 owners like myself then from what I can see :( 

Carenado have stated that there will be no discounts. I think the reason given was that it would be too hard to organize across the multiple retail outlets they use. I think it was a mistake not to try harder to allow even a small discount, but hey, it's their show.

Regarding the cockpit modeling, I think the only changes are scaling up texture resolution where needed, and that may only apply to the older models. I don't think the cockpits themselves have been changed. Most of the work is in dealing with the new XP11 turboprop engine model, and getting the flight model performance numbers back up to spec. Plus some external PBR eye candy (reflective prop spinner, etc.)

It would be nice to get a glass cockpit version of the C208, and it's a shame the C208 still doesn't have a float version. Right now they're busy trying to get everything moved into XP11 versions, so it may be a long time before we see anything major like that.

Me, I'm holding off on the v11 C208 for now. I still have the v10 version that doesn't fly too badly in XP11. The one I really want is the PC-12, and I think that's coming up soon. I fly the v10 model in FSEconomy and the turboprop issues are a bit worse on that one.

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Well as promised, here are my thought of the new C-208 for XP11

It fly pretty much like the XP10 one, except for the better handling of the engine, there is no discernable change

It does not support the XP10 liveries like the other Carenado plane that have been modified to XP11

So just for the liveries, I will mostly keep flying the XP10 version

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19 hours ago, rat7 said:

Well as promised, here are my thought of the new C-208 for XP11

It fly pretty much like the XP10 one, except for the better handling of the engine, there is no discernable change

It does not support the XP10 liveries like the other Carenado plane that have been modified to XP11

So just for the liveries, I will mostly keep flying the XP10 version

Hi, thanks for the input. 

Bob

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Are the cockpit textures now higher resolution? I have the XP10 version and the cockpit labelling is not very sharp. I would buy it if it feels like an upgrade but not just for PBR, which I have for free externally, and an optimised flight model, which again, I have for free..

 

EDIT - I just found the review (http://xplanereviews.com/index.php?/forums/topic/652-aircraft-review-c208b-grand-caravan-hd-series-xp11-by-carenado/&tab=comments#comment-2413) and the textures all look the same as before.. no update.

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6 minutes ago, toby23 said:

Are the cockpit textures now higher resolution? I have the XP10 version and the cockpit labelling is not very sharp. I would buy it if it feels like an upgrade but not just for PBR, which I have for free externally, and an optimised flight model, which again, I have for free..

 

EDIT - I just found the review (http://xplanereviews.com/index.php?/forums/topic/652-aircraft-review-c208b-grand-caravan-hd-series-xp11-by-carenado/&tab=comments#comment-2413) and the textures all look the same as before.. no update.

It's very surprising to see that Carenado haven't produced one of their fancy marketing videos for the release either.  This suggests to me that perhaps there isn't enough over and above the XP10 version to 'show off'.   Like you, I'd upgrade for new VC texturing but not for PBR alone.

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JYW - you can get external PBR textures here for free from AeroSimGaming, the guys who made the new flight model for vFlyteAir, they also have a revised flight model here for the Caravan that works great.

As much as I would love to have the Cargomaster expansion, after seeing what is possible with a native XP11 piece of payware, like the vFlyteAir Cherokee, Carenado need to stop providing updates for 5 year old models and release something mind blowing and new that is truly made for XP11. Apart from the C208, I am always left wanting more with Carenado.. 

 

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20 hours ago, toby23 said:

As much as I would love to have the Cargomaster expansion, after seeing what is possible with a native XP11 piece of payware, like the vFlyteAir Cherokee, Carenado need to stop providing updates for 5 year old models and release something mind blowing and new that is truly made for XP11. Apart from the C208, I am always left wanting more with Carenado.. 

I would like to see that too, but I think we have to be realistic with our expectations. Carenado develops their models first for FSX/P3D, and then converts them to X-Plane as a secondary market. I don't think that will change, until the sales potential is higher for X-Plane than it is for FSX/P3D. We're growing, but I'm sure they have a higher sales volume with their FSX/P3D planes.

For example, I asked Dan Klau over at the .org forum if we could get layered paint kits with the new v11 models. That would be a nice selling point. I was told no, because the paint kits and liveries are adapted from the FSX models and that wouldn't fit their production flow. Whatever they do with FSX comes first, and determines what they can offer for X-Plane. Same thing with sound. The new v11 Carenado planes still use their own internal sound engine, not taking advantage of the new FMOD sound engine that arrived with X-Plane 11. If I'm not mistaken, the sound files are exactly the same as the FSX/P3D planes. So there are constraints in what they can do as far as a "mind blowing" plane for XP11.

Our best hope is that they will revisit some of the models and add features later on, during the XP11 cycle. I know they're planning to integrate the new Laminar G1000 in the appropriate plane models when it arrives, and they've stopped development of their own, fairly limited G1000. So at least with those planes, we'll have a feature that's more developed than what's available on the FSX/P3D side (without using external addons).

Anyway, from the customer perspective, the bottom line with Carenado is the same as with any developer. You buy their planes when there isn't a better model available. 

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I bought the C208 XP11 today, you can see my screenshot showcase, and some opinions on it here :-
 

 

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