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I was thinking of getting this, but I don't know if it would be wasted on me. I use PFPX for flight planning, ASP4 for weather and Pro ATC X for ATC. The main things that are drawing me to EFB are the up to date charts and the interactive airport layouts. Pro ATC X has an interactive airport layout but it's fairly limited, and the taxiways can be very inaccurate. Also, does the one-off payment for EFB cover me as far as charts go? I mean will I able to view charts for all eternity without having to pay again?

 

I suppose I'm looking for someone to convince me that it's worth buying, even though I have all the above applications. At 55 notes it's not cheap.

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Hi Neal,

Note that the 'charts' and airport layouts within Aivlasoft EFB are not 'real' charts, but programmatically generated based on the sceneries you have installed. Plan-G and my own SimLauncherX do the same thing to generate map navigation symbols.

Maarten

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14 minutes ago, nealmac said:

I was thinking of getting this, but I don't know if it would be wasted on me. I use PFPX for flight planning, ASP4 for weather and Pro ATC X for ATC. The main things that are drawing me to EFB are the up to date charts and the interactive airport layouts. Pro ATC X has an interactive airport layout but it's fairly limited, and the taxiways can be very inaccurate. Also, does the one-off payment for EFB cover me as far as charts go? I mean will I able to view charts for all eternity without having to pay again?

 

I suppose I'm looking for someone to convince me that it's worth buying, even though I have all the above applications. At 55 notes it's not cheap.

Just try the demo. Its full functional for 30 days I think.

And its not 'real' charts. its generated from the sim source and Navigraph data.

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Cheers guys.

 

So I would either have to have a navigraph subscription or a NavDataPro Chart subscription in order to view charts?

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Hi Neal,

AivlaSoft EFB needs Navigraph or NavDataPo, 1 cycle is included. If you're only interested in charts, there are free alternatives that do the same (Plan-G, Little Navmap or my own SimLauncherX). You could also have a look at Navigraph's charts app.

Maarten

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no "real" charts is true ... but we are also no real pilots ;)

 

Here you have the EFB chart from LOWI

 

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What the advantage of Aivlasofts EFB is, that you have the charts based on your simulators data!

So, on the other side, you have probably navigraph real charts, but the ground layout of your scenery is outdated maybe. Aivlasofts EFB shows exactly what you have as scenery.

And you have no monthly or yearly subscription: you buy it once.

Of course, if you need allways up to date AIRACs, you have to subscribe to Navigraph or Aerosoft Navdata.

But you could also buy one cycle to get all your addons at the same AIRAC state.

 

Included in Aivlasofts EFB are some more features as moving map (swithcing between diffferent charts automatically), showing traffic, COM frequencies switching from inside the app, flight state (like T/D, fuel etc) shown ...

 

But best thing, yes, try it yourself with the demo.

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The last feature I use from EFB is the SID/STAR selecting. I like the UI when it comes to selecting a STAR/TRANS and see it drawn on the map. I makes it easier to enterit in the FMC. But then, now with ProAtc/x, the STAR is selected for me. In my case, I had purchased EFB prior to getting ProAtc/x. I guess I would not if I had ProATC/x. 

 

Now I ProAtc/x could save in mid-flight with Prepar3dV4....

 

Vincent Rouleau

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7 minutes ago, guenseli said:

...What the advantage of Aivlasofts EFB is, that you have the charts based on your simulators data!

 

The free alternatives I mentioned above have their charts based on the simulator data as well. 

Maarten

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1 minute ago, vincentrouleau said:

The last feature I use from EFB is the SID/STAR selecting.

 

EFB is not a flightplanner, it is for showing you the SID and STAR.

I use it also with PFPX and PRO ATC. Once, the both have done their work (PFPX compute the route, PRO ATC X give the clearance with SID and STAR) I have then shown my chart data (with SID and STAR) in Aivlasoft EFB

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4 minutes ago, vincentrouleau said:

The last feature I use from EFB is the SID/STAR selecting.

You can select and display SIDs and STARS with my SimLauncherX application as well.

Maarten

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1 minute ago, mawibo said:

The free alternatives I mentioned above have their chars based on the simulator data as well.

 

I know. I haven't said anything else.

Just wanted to give an example how Aivalsofts charts look like, what (in my opinion) is the closest you can get to real charts.

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8 minutes ago, guenseli said:

 

EFB is not a flightplanner, it is for showing you the SID and STAR.

I use it also with PFPX and PRO ATC. Once, the both have done their work (PFPX compute the route, PRO ATC X give the clearance with SID and STAR) I have then shown my chart data (with SID and STAR) in Aivlasoft EFB

Do you have PFPX auto generate your route?

PFPX assigns me a runway, SID and STAR when i do the route planning.

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Yes, PFPX autogenerates my route.

The trick is, that you "unchoose" (better word?) the runways PFPX has then already assigned.

Go through all your steps, simply get rid of the assigned runways and then let PFPX compute the flight.

Then you have no assigned SIDs and STARs (and could export it to Aivlasoft EFB and copy it to Pro ATC X)

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Just now, guenseli said:

Yes, but gets a bit of topic now ...

Not really.  Unless I choose a runway in PFPX it won't transfer to TOPCAT for calculations. 

I use EFB to choose the best runways for take off and landing.

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I wish there was one app that would do all of this. Having to launch so many side apps alongside the main flight sim is such a pain, and breaks up the workflow. Would be nice if someone can combine the flight planning features of PFPX with the ATC of PATCX and the charts/moving map from Aivlasoft EFB, that would be a wonderful and all in one solution. Better yet make it a plugin that can be called upon from within P3D like FSTramp.

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1 hour ago, guenseli said:

Here you have the EFB chart from LOWI

 

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Here you have the SimLauncherX chart from LOWI:

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Maarten

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I like this soft a lot,

Only the scan of the scenery.cfg, scenery and airacs inside your sim must be done by the soft.

Because the maps are done with de datas included in your sim, all the Sid and Star are there when flying, no more surprise with missing points or procedures...

To make a choice of sid or star when you receive by atis runways informations, (always on last minutes),... this is the best and more easy to use soft to change rapidely radios and approachs.

What others softs don't offer is a map horizontal and vertical of the final approach (near the visualisation of official documentation)... Is perfect !

All informations needed in flight are clean, with a direct access. Windows organsation step by step airport/departure/en route/approach/airport is the best idea of this soft.

 

A method who work well with included informations of your sim:

A) first making a .pln with little nav (who scan your sim too). Don't, at this point, insert sid or star, so the pln is good for every days.

B) import your pln in EFB, program your fms, listen atis and make the visualitation of the sid on EFB and input your choice in the fms. Read the metars of destination airport and make a pre-choice of the star, insert it in the fms... Without activation of this part of flight.

C) Drive the aircraft on taxis with the visualisation of your aircraft on the plan of the airport, in the first window.

D) fly your route to destination on following windows...

E) Ajust comm on the atis of destination and if the runway recommanded is not your first deduction, you are armed to make quickly a other choice on the approach window. After activation on the fms of desired star, follow this step of the flight.

F) on final approach take the window with horizontal and vertical map... And compare your speed with the vs needed for a perfect kiss landing.

E) follow your taxis on the airport map. On gate is time for debriefing ;-)

 

 

 

 

 

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I am interested in using Aivlasoft EFB again as a part of my workflow also. I already have to load the following 3rd party apps before starting my sim:

  1. Active Sky Next P3D4
  2. ASCA
  3. ChasePlane
  4. PFPX
  5. Pro-ATCX
  6. FSWidgets Network Tool (For my moving map)
  7. Remote CDU
  8. AivalSoft EFB (If I decide to use it again)

Thats a total of 8 apps. Not sure about you guys, but I feel like that's a bit too much. I wish there was a simpler solution.

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EFB is pretty good, but you might also want to take a look at FS Flight Control too, since it works with XPlane, FSX, FSX-SE, P3D and FSW and does pretty much the same thing as EFB and a lot more besides, and it is a bit less of a PITA to set up than EFB. It can work on a tablet too. It has a free two week trial if you want to check it out and see if it suits you. It's certainly a lot of bang for your bucks.

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I used to use it religiously... but now with moving map and the plane overlayed on the Navigraph charts - that might be enough for me.

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6 hours ago, mawibo said:

but programmatically generated based on the sceneries you have installed.

For ground charts, right?  The depature, enroute, arrival and approach charts are all based on Navigraph or NavDataPro data.

6 hours ago, nealmac said:

The main things that are drawing me to EFB are the up to date charts and the interactive airport layouts.

I've used the Aivilasoft EFB on every flight for the past three years or so, and would't want to fly without it!

 

 

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