WebMaximus

Precipitation effects in P3Dv4

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Since the release of P3Dv4 I would say we're halfway there.

Finally we have snow that actually looks like and behaves like snow. Unfortunately the same thing can't be said about the rain which IMO looks really bad and more like a mix of snow and rain. The rain in FSX and P3D versions prior to P3Dv4 with help from PrecipitFX or ENVTEX looked much better if you ask me. The detailed precipitation option found under the Weather section in P3Dv4 doesn't seem to help. I've also tried the rain effect provided by ENVTEX but still not much of an improvement if any.

I found a tip how you can disable the rain effect all together but not sure I want to go that far. Instead I'm hoping for an improvement down the road. Either provided by LM themselves or a 3rd party app such as ENVTEX or similar. Do we dare to hope the rain will look better in the P3Dv4.1 version that is said to be released tomorrow...

Did anyone else found a way to make the rain look better in P3Dv4?

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Richard, v4.1 is supposed to enhance the rain effect from the cockpit AFAIK.

:-)

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2 minutes ago, David Roch said:

Richard, v4.1 is supposed to enhance the rain effect from the cockpit AFAIK.

:-)

I heard that too but the way I understood it that was more the effect on the cockpit windows and probably only for some of the default a/c where hopefully add-on developers will be able to use the same technique in upcoming products.

Or did you also hear something about the look of the actual rain (drops) seen outside the a/c or in spot view etc?

To be honest I'm a bit surprised we need to discuss these kind of things in late 2017 considering all other kind of things that have been achieved the last couple of years but still we don't have realistically looking rain.

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And the AI lights, and the ATC behaviour, and so many other little things that are still missing.

But what can you do.. Live in hope that these things get fixed by LM or third party developers.

Simbol 

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True but I think some things are more fundamental than others precipitation being one of them and I wish LM comes to the same conclusion when they put their prio list together.

Not everyone has any interest in AI ATC for instance but everyone will experience weather effects regardless of what type of flying they're doing be it online/offline, in a huge airliner or a small GA a/c.

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5 minutes ago, WebMaximus said:

Not everyone has any interest in AI ATC for instance.

But a lot of people do, you can read complains about go arounds, bad ATC traffic handling, own ESP ATC bad handling, etc. all around different forums and sim communities available.

Simbol 

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20 minutes ago, simbol said:

But a lot of people do, you can read complains about go arounds, bad ATC traffic handling, own ESP ATC bad handling, etc. all around different forums and sim communities available.

Simbol 

I know lots of people have been hoping for better ATC and AI behavior out-of-the-box for many years but I still think global effects affecting everyone is more important to get right before starting to work on features used by some/many but far from all.

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25 minutes ago, simbol said:

But a lot of people do, you can read complains about go arounds, bad ATC traffic handling, own ESP ATC bad handling, etc. all around different forums and sim communities available.

Simbol 

The focus should be on giving third party developers the tools to enhance the sim significantly instead of making the enhancements themselves.  I would much rather they spend significant resource creating an expansive SDK.  The third party community will deliver the goods - including better AI ATC.  Although everyone who is half serious about simulation should be on VATSIM and not using canned, silly sounding, synthetic ATC

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19 minutes ago, ErichB said:

The focus should be on giving third party developers the tools to enhance the sim significantly instead of making the enhancements themselves.  I would much rather they spend significant resource creating an expansive SDK.  The third party community will deliver the goods - including better AI ATC.  Although everyone who is half serious about simulation should be on VATSIM and not using canned, silly sounding, synthetic ATC

And the problem is that they haven't, I found ways around it but I have hopes V4.1 will give me better tools.

S.

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22 minutes ago, ErichB said:

The focus should be on giving third party developers the tools to enhance the sim significantly instead of making the enhancements themselves.  I would much rather they spend significant resource creating an expansive SDK.  The third party community will deliver the goods - including better AI ATC.  Although everyone who is half serious about simulation should be on VATSIM and not using canned, silly sounding, synthetic ATC

Very true all of it!

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1 hour ago, simbol said:

But a lot of people do, you can read complains about go arounds, bad ATC traffic handling, own ESP ATC bad handling, etc. all around different forums and sim communities available.

Simbol 

I totally agree! Just something as simple as traffic landing on the right runway while departures use the left instead of everybody using one while the other sits empty would help immensely! The other day I sat at the hold point for runway 34L at KSLC for who knows how long while everybody landed on 34L. 34R was just sitting there, reserved for the use of the Jackrabbits, I guess...

I finally turned traffic off so I could get out of there!

 

Russ

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So back on topic...is there anyone in here who found a way to make the rain effect in P3Dv4 look better while we're waiting for LM or 3rd party devs to come up with a better effect?

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1 minute ago, WebMaximus said:

So back on topic...is there anyone in here who found a way to make the rain effect in P3Dv4 look better while we're waiting for LM or 3rd party devs to come up with a better effect?

I think PrecipitFX is as good as it gets for now.

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3 hours ago, WebMaximus said:

 The rain in FSX and P3D versions prior to P3Dv4 with help from PrecipitFX or ENVTEX looked much better if you ask me.

 

20 minutes ago, ErichB said:

I think PrecipitFX is as good as it gets for now.

Richard, you can use PrecipitFX in V4. It works and looks much better than the "new" rain effect. Just disable "detailed precipitation" in the P3D menu in order to make the effects work. If you want the new snow effect, just enable "detailed precipitation" again. The best of two worlds...

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12 minutes ago, SAX702 said:

TFDi's TrueGlass looks promising.  

It does, but it doesn't address what is being asked.  Richard is asking about the visual representation of rain (other than on the windscreen of the aircraft)

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Erich is fully correct but I agree, TrueGlass looks really good indeed and we can only wish we'll be able to see this in most a/c further down the road.

Would be willing to pay quite an amount of money to get this effect fully implemented in the NGX...

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2 hours ago, ErichB said:

The focus should be on giving third party developers the tools to enhance the sim significantly instead of making the enhancements themselves.  I would much rather they spend significant resource creating an expansive SDK.  The third party community will deliver the goods - including better AI ATC.  Although everyone who is half serious about simulation should be on VATSIM and not using canned, silly sounding, synthetic ATC

I am very serious about simulation, which is why I don't use the likes of VATSIM, ICAO etc. I fly upwards of three times a day and empty air is no good to me! Let's have a Worldwide ATC system along the lines of pilotedge and I will gladly spend my money on it! As this however will almost certainly never happen I will continue to content myself with ProATC X, which although not a 100% is always available.

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1 hour ago, SierraHotel said:

I am very serious about simulation, which is why I don't use the likes of VATSIM, ICAO etc.

Yes, but Mike, looking at your sig, I'd say you are conflicted anyway.  :)

 

 

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1 minute ago, ErichB said:

Yes, but Mike, looking at your sig, I'd say you are conflicted anyway.  :)

 

 

ha-ha

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32 minutes ago, ErichB said:

Yes, but Mike, looking at your sig, I'd say you are conflicted anyway.  :)

 

LOLOLOL! :biggrin:

We are all conflicted with this hobby, pastime, obsession, compulsion, diversionary escape from reality, sophisticated skillset.

However it makes much more sense to me than knitting itchy socks for every family member like my mother did, or like dear old Dad endlessly sitting by a fishless stream being eaten by insects...

Anyway, onward and upward.

I am desperately trying to get back on topic so let me say I have become rather attached to the lovely sounding ladies telling me what to do on the default ATC;

Now add to that the pittle pattle of little raindrops on the windshield, I am sure to doze off between ATC frequency changes...

Maybe I do need to get a life! :blush:

Kind regards,

 

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Back to the rain effect this is a post how to completely disable rain. At this point that feels like an interesting option to me until the rain effect has been improved.

However with the post being created before P3Dv4 I suspected maybe it doesn't work anymore and sure enough that seems to be the case. I found a number of Rain.fx files and did what the linked post describes for all these files...renaming them and then creating new 0 kB ones but with the same names. I also cleared the shader cache but I still get the highly  unrealistic rain.

Another thing I came to think of.

Looking at the rain and what it currently looks like, what makes it really ugly is how there's lots of white "stripes" in it. I was then thinking if it somehow would be possible to edit the fx files changing the white color to grey and possibly even add some transparency since the fx files are normal text files. I think that would at least improve the rain effect a bit.

Anyone knows how to edit fx files and has any clue what would need to be changed in order to achieve this...if even possible?

 

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24 minutes ago, WebMaximus said:

Anyone knows how to edit fx files and has any clue what would need to be changed in order to achieve this...if even possible?

 

I do, it is very tiring and tedious task!

http://www.prepar3d.com/SDKv4/sdk/modeling/special_effects/special_effects_overview.html

That should help you to get started, my advise don't give up :happy:

If you need help, contact me privately I will try to when I am not busy with my own projects.

All the best 

Simbol 

 

 

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