Ray Proudfoot

Honeycomb Yoke and Throttle news

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I've received news from Honeycomb about their forthcoming Alpha Yoke and Bravo Throttle Quadrant. The yoke will be available to view at the Lelystad Flight Sim show in early November. It won't be connected to a PC but nevertheless should give potential customers a good feel for it.

PFC have been involved in its design and with a five year warranty it looks to be a quality unit. You can see more details of both units here:- http://flyhoneycomb.com/

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Hm, nice! I am super curious to read the reports. I am observing this HW since I first heard of it. But, "not connected to a PC" ...? Sounds like still a lot of development would be needed :ohmy:

Cheers
Frank

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1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

The yoke will be available to view at the Lelystad Flight Sim show in early November.

Any news on the quadrant?

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1 hour ago, mdata said:

Hm, nice! I am super curious to read the reports. I am observing this HW since I first heard of it. But, "not connected to a PC" ...? Sounds like still a lot of development would be needed :ohmy:

Cheers
Frank

Just the drivers I would imagine.

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15 minutes ago, vortex681 said:

Any news on the quadrant?

Only that it won’t be at Lelystad in 3 weeks.

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4 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Only that it won’t be at Lelystad in 3 weeks.

That's a shame but thanks for the update.

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The docs on the yoke state it has 6 inches of travel. I just checked my Saitek and it has around half that. This is very encouraging. :biggrin:

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Thanks for that heads-up, Ray as the very first time I ever tried a yoke was at Cosford last w/e, and was angling towards the Saitek models on display there, until I read several posts recommending the CH variants. Then somebody also mentioned this being in the offing.

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The docs on the yoke state it has 6 inches of travel. I just checked my Saitek and it has around half that. This is very encouraging. 

That all depends on your physical setup.  I mount my yoke on a desktop and the extra three inches of travel in and over the desktop could be an issue. 

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13 minutes ago, fppilot said:

That all depends on your physical setup.  I mount my yoke on a desktop and the extra three inches of travel in and over the desktop could be an issue. 

Surely it depends if the travel is contained within the yoke enclosure?

@vc10man, Rick, I think you’ll find the Honeycomb will be a step up in quality over CH and Saitek.

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8 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Surely it depends if the travel is contained within the yoke enclosure?

@vc10man, Rick, I think you’ll find the Honeycomb will be a step up in quality over CH and Saitek.

Understand it is contained.  I place an iPad and other items beyond the end of my Saitek yoke and in front of my monitor. I really like the look of the Honeycomb. It looks very promising. That three inches will likely cause me to reinvent my setup. That's all.  That three inches may not be so great for all...

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38 minutes ago, fppilot said:

That three inches will likely cause me to reinvent my setup. That's all.  That three inches may not be so great for all...

Each to their own of course. I’ll report back once I’ve seen it at Lelystad.  My own desktop may need tweaking too.

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2 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Just the drivers I would imagine.

I do hope, too.

Thanks a lot Ray, please grab as many information as you can and please keep us posted. :smile:

Cheers
Frank

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14 minutes ago, mdata said:

I do hope, too.

Thanks a lot Ray, please grab as many information as you can and please keep us posted. :smile:

Cheers
Frank

Will do Frank. I believe Honeycomb have a Facebook page where they are publishing info.

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2 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Here is the Honeycomb brochure for the yoke and throttle...

http://flyhoneycomb.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Honeycomb-Brochure-2017.pdf

Well if those pictures are to be believed that looks like actual PFC hardware, which I think means be get ball races in the bearings and bungees for the springs. If they can do this and sell it for $200 then surely they will elbow Saitek and CH into the margins. Mind you, this is sort of what Iris Dynamics promised and their yoke tripled in price by the time it got to market. Still, it's looking hopeful...

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Mark,

A modest increase in price would not surprise me but I doubt we’ll see a major one. Just my thoughts. The input by PFC designers is welcome but I’m guessing some compromises have been made with components. As long as they use high quality pots or Hall effect sensors I’ll be happy.

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I'm in the market for a new yoke, but I won't be buying this one. I dont need any switches on the face plate, and as as it hasn't got a flat top, it will not fit under my desk , as my present Saitek does.

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14 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Here is the Honeycomb brochure for the yoke and throttle...

http://flyhoneycomb.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Honeycomb-Brochure-2017.pdf

You can see more from Honeycomb on their Facebook page.

Search for honeycomb aeronautical

Nice info Ray!

Have a look at the pdf brochure. In a small picture, it shows the internal of the yoke. The bearing is a radial bearing, but it is different from the PFC bearing. The Honeycomb Alpha bearing is like the bearing used in the Yoke yoke. See following video (PFC Beech starting at 4:00 and Yoko at &:35).

The Yoko yoke bearing, and therefore also the Honeycomb I think, are radial bearings reducing the friction for the roll motion.
In addition, Yoko uses a linear slide bearing to reduce friction for the pitch motion. The Honeycomb brochure does not show enough detail about the mechanism for the pitch motion, if any.

The Yoko slide mechanism has a disadvantage. The total roll torque has to be counteracted by the pitch bearing with a very small bearing arm (the slide bearing is only 10 to 15 mm wide). The roll torque leads to high forces in the pitch slide bearing.

When you are going to Lelystad, can you test the following? Hold the yoke handle with one hand, give max roll input, then give pitch motion backwards and forwards. Compare with pitch backwards and forwards with both hands without roll. Sense the difference in pitch force.    

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10 minutes ago, oemlegoem said:

Nice info Ray!

Have a look at the pdf brochure. In a small picture, it shows the internal of the yoke. The bearing is a radial bearing, but it is different from the PFC bearing. The Honeycomb Alpha bearing is like the bearing used in the Yoke yoke. See following video (PFC Beech starting at 4:00 and Yoko at &:35).

The Yoko yoke bearing, and therefore also the Honeycomb I think, are radial bearings reducing the friction for the roll motion.
In addition, Yoko uses a linear slide bearing to reduce friction for the pitch motion. The Honeycomb brochure does not show enough detail about the mechanism for the pitch motion, if any.

The Yoko slide mechanism has a disadvantage. The total roll torque has to be counteracted by the pitch bearing with a very small bearing arm (the slide bearing is only 10 to 15 mm wide). The roll torque leads to high forces in the pitch slide bearing.

When you are going to Lelystad, can you test the following? Hold the yoke handle with one hand, give max roll input, then give pitch motion backwards and forwards. Compare with pitch backwards and forwards with both hands without roll. Sense the difference in pitch force.    

I did consider the Yoko but the lack of buttons was a real drawback. It sounds like you have an engineering background which is helpful at times like this. Yes, I will try your test and report back. In real life a 90 degree turn whilst engaging a high rate of climb is unlikely in a civilian aircraft but interesting nevertheless. :biggrin:

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1 minute ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

In real life a 90 degree turn whilst engaging a high rate of climb is unlikely in a civilian aircraft but interesting nevertheless. :biggrin:

I think full control deflections in any combination are possible (likely) on rough approaches. This came to mind.

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2 hours ago, MarkDH said:

I think full control deflections in any combination are possible (likely) on rough approaches. This came to mind.

Good reason to keep away from light aircraft. :biggrin:

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2 hours ago, oemlegoem said:

Nice info Ray!

Have a look at the pdf brochure. In a small picture, it shows the internal of the yoke. The bearing is a radial bearing, but it is different from the PFC bearing. The Honeycomb Alpha bearing is like the bearing used in the Yoke yoke. See following video (PFC Beech starting at 4:00 and Yoko at &:35).

The Yoko yoke bearing, and therefore also the Honeycomb I think, are radial bearings reducing the friction for the roll motion.
In addition, Yoko uses a linear slide bearing to reduce friction for the pitch motion. The Honeycomb brochure does not show enough detail about the mechanism for the pitch motion, if any.

The Yoko slide mechanism has a disadvantage. The total roll torque has to be counteracted by the pitch bearing with a very small bearing arm (the slide bearing is only 10 to 15 mm wide). The roll torque leads to high forces in the pitch slide bearing.

When you are going to Lelystad, can you test the following? Hold the yoke handle with one hand, give max roll input, then give pitch motion backwards and forwards. Compare with pitch backwards and forwards with both hands without roll. Sense the difference in pitch force.    

I forgot to link the video. Sorry about that. Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg2-zL5-XBI

 

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7 hours ago, Freo said:

I'm in the market for a new yoke, but I won't be buying this one. I dont need any switches on the face plate, and as as it hasn't got a flat top, it will not fit under my desk , as my present Saitek does.

Well I am sure if you just notify these guys they will remove the buttons and change the shape of the box to fit under just your desktop. I am just not sure why they did not contact you before starting the project.

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A bit harsh Sam, he was just stating his opinion... and gave definite reasons! :cool:

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