Add me to the satisfied pack.I think it is a great bird. Equal to the PMDG or LD767? Probably not quite, but neither is the price IMHO.One question: Where is the patch in question. I have gone to the PSS Site and under support or member links I am not finding it.Happy Flying:RTHIGNORE THIS: I see on the AvSim Title page that simply redownloading and installation of the base package is in order again.

You'll have to redownload the base installer from the "My Files" section. There is no separate patch.Best to do a complete uninstall/reinstall.EDIT: If you have the Just Flight CD, it will be a few days yet for your patch to be released.EDIT2: Actually I read now that the Just Flight patch is now available.

Thanks loads Robert and whoever else is responsible for the improvements.I purchased the 777-200LRF and 777-300R thinking this would be the best combination. Naturally within hours after my purchase the 777-200LR set the distance record and immediately became the plane of choice. Oh Well, Murphy's Law strikes again.About the only gripe I had was the porpoising issue. After installing the patch, I tried a flight useing only heading, altitude, and speed settings in the autopilot. Steady as a rock to 35K. I thought maybe I was being too easy so I setup an FMC controlled flight from KBTR to PAKT @ 36K. (Yea, I know. A 777 has no business at either location, but I just made a grab for any old long distance flight out of my flight plans. Probably crushed cement at both locations. Also if I had it to do over again I would have picked something with a SID or STAR. In my opinion the T7 FMC is about the easiest to set up and give a reasonable set of capabilities (I usually import from FSNAV).Anyway, as soon as clear of the runway and at a couple of thousand feet I engaged LNAV and VNAV and let it do its thing until I passed my last waypoint.OUTSTANDING!!! IMHO. Absolutely no sign of the porpoise issue at any multiplier and I had not even calculated CG (Just plugged in 16). About the only thing that has problems is at 16X and 8X too for that matter she has a bit of a problem lineing out relative to heading after a severe turn, but that is about par for the course with just about everything of which I know. Also autolanded on the short runway at PAKT useing only about half of the runway, and I don't think reverse thrust ever even kicked in. (Burned up brakes with autobrake).I'm not so swift on the livery thing either as some have said, but even so, I would highly recommend these packages. I cheated anyway and bought when it first came out with the reduced price, which if I remember correctly was $15.00, and liveries were $5.00 per shot. Still at $20.00 I think it is a steal regardless of liveries, and she flies like a dream (In fact about as stable as the DF727 which is the kindest compliment I can think to give it).Thanks again PSS for a dandy job!Respectfully:RTH1585368CFI

I honestly don't understand why some continue to slam this product. :-hmmm I wish PSS would do half as good of a job on the A320 series update. For such a non-complicated aircraft to fly in the real world, I really love what PSS has done with this virtual model (especially after the patch)...

Les,Do you mind if I ask, what you define as "slamming" ?I'm being completely sincere here, as I honestly do not see how anything I've said could be considered a slam against PSS or the product.I've tried my best to present what I feel are the products shortcomings. Do you see anything above that is inaccurate ?Maybe the fault is mine, maybe my expectations are unrealistic, but I stand by everything I've said thus far. At least offer some counter to my views before you brush me off, I really would appreciate it.

Well Brian, there's nothing wrong with being a critic, nothing at all. My pal Buddy and I would laugh about the world, long long ago, that was all, no offense to you intended. In my life, my tendency is not to be critical, unless I'm being paid well for it, (hehehe), and rather see the "half full" .. etc. I think it's human nature to always seek perfection .. but when you do, those rude awakenings are pretty terrible ... and disappointment always near ... instead of working up a list of why the T7 bites, I worked up a list of why I like it .. so in my old old simple head .. life is good!!! And I didn't have to install my WX500 on the glareshield as I did with the PMDG 747s and the LDS 767 ... heheheThat's why I indicated "good" experience, my $.05 .. I enjoy the T7 because it works, for the most part by the book, certainly not 100%, but what is?? I bought a T7 AOM just to see ... because I really like to see how technology is implemented ... comparing old to the knew, being amazed by the automation ... compared to the RFP 742 ... whole subsystems are on one button press.I even found a small compensation for a real FIX page ... setting nav1 say to lax, and the course to 248 for instance .. and pushing the POS button on the EFIS control panel .. gives you a nice green extended runway line .... still miss my 40 mile circle ... but I live in hope So my little post was to balance off your note ... balance the karmic books a bit ... I was put off a bit by someone taking your words and indicating that he was glad he hadn't spent his money ... that's like listening to movie critics ... how many panned flicks were really enjoyable but tanked because of criticism??? O well Brian ... life goes on!!!I too, stand by my opinion that it was $$$ well spent for me ... Cheers and many happy landings!Regards,Paul BenoitKSAN"Since when did the word LIBERAL become a DIRTY word? Huh?"

I was put off a bit by someone taking>your words and indicating that he was glad he hadn't spent his>money ... that's like listening to movie critics ... how many>panned flicks were really enjoyable but tanked because of>criticism??? O well Brian ... life goes on!!!>>I too, stand by my opinion that it was $$$ well spent for meAlright since I wrote the above comment that "put you off a bit" just tell me that the add-on is worth spending the money. I am not looking for a war or trying to trash a company that I have bought from previously. I am simply looking for a 777 that I can enjoy in FS9. I don't want to pay for a product that will give me problems and therefore dissatisfaction. If I hear the product is not good then I am glad people let me know. If it turns out that it is in fact good then yes I will get it.Again, I am now accustomed to PMDG and Level-D standards. Is that wrong? Do they have bug free products? --> Of course not but most of us seem to agree that they are the ones to beat.Finally, I also noted your comments that you were satisfied with it but you believed that there still were a few things that needed to be fixed... Well based on that, I am still hanging on to my money until I hear someone tells me, the product is amazing.I want PSS to give me satisfaction and not force me to retire their product after a couple of flights because of some obvious malfunctions.Sorry, I didn't mean to be that lengthy but I don't like putting people off when it is not my intention.

Paul,I must stay I support every word you've written, and even if I don't 100% share your opinions of the product, I have quite a bit of respect for them. As a fellow RFPer since it was released on CD for FS2002, I know what an enormous help you were to that project, and I also know you don't talk out of your nether regions, so to speak. :D Just as a few posts struck you as a bit off, a few in this thread do the same for me. I see a few posts that seem to state "I dunno what these guys are talkin about, the 777 is great !". OK. I'm glad you're enjoying it, but not one of you yet has made any attempt to address the issues I raise above. I've listed point by point above a few areas where I feel it falls short of the pack, and ya know what, bugs aside, this product still falls short, with the list of reasons why getting longer the more time I spend with it.I guess to summarize further, I think a fair metric at this point would be, that if you are one of those that really has a difficult time flying anything other than LDS/PMDG, if you are one of those that WILL use those two products as a yardstick, the 777 will be a disappointment.If you own the Lago MD80, or the FeelThere 737, like I do, and just don't fly them much, because they don't give you the satisfaction that the 744 or 767 do, you'll feel the same way about the 777, and it will end up parked.THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT A BAD PRODUCT, OR THE PEOPLE THAT ENJOY IT BAD PEOPLE! JUST BE SURE TO ADJUST YOUR EXPECTATIONS ACCORDINGLY, AS THE 777 SIM DOES NOT SEEM TO RUN AS DEEP, ON ANY LEVEL, AS THE ABOVE MENTIONED.It's OK, and that's about it.

BrianPressurisation status on right hand EICAS;1. It re-appears when you select manual - or if there is a failure in the system - and in manual you can fully control cabin alt v dp.2. There are a couple of cockpit photos on the internet of 777 cruising en route which show the EICAS without the pressurisation field.Waiting for one of our 777 pilots to let us know the right answer.RegardsJohn Rooum

I agree it is a great bird, I liked it even before the patch. Only problem I could see was the bobbing in cruise of the 300 version. It may not be the best airliner simulation available (for me LDS767) for FS9 but it is definitely the most completely modeled 777 you can get.Maybe someday soon someone will make a better 777 (Feelthere is making one but from what I hear not to PIC standards),but for now PSS is the best available. Why do people compare apples to oranges. There are many repaints available in the user edits section of the PSS website so you don't necessarily have to pay for repaints either.

John,That's true, it is only shown, AFAIK, when either the ENG or AIR pages are selected on the LOWER EICAS. If any other page is selected, or the LOWER EICAS switched off, it will not display.That doesn't explain why it disappears when working the CDU though, not at all, and why I have to play the equivalent of musical DU's to get it back, and even then only on the ND display(EICAS SELECTED).

Yes - but what happens in the real 777? If it is not displayed in the normal mode in the real aircraft, why should we expect it in the simulator? I believe that this was looked at when first raised some months ago. We'll see.RegardsJohnPS Agree the switchery combinations you highlight are very odd - to say the least!

IMHO I think it's very hard for developers, PMDG, LVLD, Flight1 and Dreamfleet do set the standards for their respective aircraft. The ATR for example is as good as PMDG but in a different class of plane. The Majestic Dash 8 is up there as well.Those guys do move the goalposts each time, and I think it leaves a lot of ppl playing catch-up, Wilco/Feelthere and PSS for example. They are still way ahead of some of the competition though, and there has to be stuff for ppl of all abilities if our hobby is to grow. I personally love the 767, and the 737ng but I'm certainly not disappointed with my PSS777, in fact it's quite a decent fly and without reading a manual my first flight round Paris DeGaulle went smooth as silk. No complaints here, sure it has got a few quirks, the main thing I noticed was a sudden inabiility to flare in a thunderstorm that frankly should not have been there in the first place. (I was trying to land at Alexandria in Egypt). It was zero vis and unusually for me I was relying on the AP to get me down. It failed to flare and we hit the ground at over 1K fpm, not good, everybody died. (FSPax)

BrianJust checked the cockpit photos again on Airliners.net - had not looked for a couple of months.All shots without a magenta track line on the ND show the pressurisation info on the RH EICAS.All shots with a magenta track line on the ND - ie an FMC route "exe" - show no pressurisation info on the RH EICAS. Includes one shot on the ground and at least 2 in the air.Afraid my Boeing experience stopped with the 707 but, unless someone with 777 experience can comment, I guess that PSS got it right.RegardsJohn

John,You certainly seem to be correct, and I'll gladly stand corrected on this point.Time to start digging. :)