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Microsoft Releases KB4051963

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Microsoft FIXED this problem in Thursday's (Nov. 30) update: KB4051963 . I just installed the update and restarted my computer, and the Create Window problem is solved. Now, popup windows like Map and Flight Analysis started from the Menu work again. View your installed update history to see if it has been installed, and if not, ask Windows to "Check for updates". Good luck!

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Did some flights where I could replicate the crash instantly and FSX no longer crashes.  I did have some issues at startup at the setup screen when trying to select my Carenado aircraft.  It would pause for 30 seconds and then close to desktop w/o explanation.  This happened a couple of times before it finally worked. It's working great now though!  Thanks to our new member for the heads-up!

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The changelog doesn't indicate anything specific, but the update is available in Germany and I'm downloading it at the moment.

Thanks for the heads-up, Steve!

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8 hours ago, Steve 707 said:

Microsoft FIXED this problem in Thursday's (Nov. 30) update: KB4051963 . I just installed the update and restarted my computer, and the Create Window problem is solved. Now, popup windows like Map and Flight Analysis started from the Menu work again. View your installed update history to see if it has been installed, and if not, ask Windows to "Check for updates". Good luck!

This is great news. I will do some extensive research online and with Microsoft before I allow the update back to 1709.

But certainly sounds promising from your report as well as Jim Young's report.

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Well I have just installed the KB4051963 update and rebooted and it has not fixed the child window or unsupported action errors for me....grrrr

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20 minutes ago, CYBERMiiN said:

Well I have just installed the KB4051963 update and rebooted and it has not fixed the child window or unsupported action errors for me....grrrr

Well I was ready to go for the update, but looks like I will wait a little longer.  FSX-SE has been working great after roll back from 1709.

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7 minutes ago, ctiger said:

Well I was ready to go for the update, but looks like I will wait a little longer.  FSX-SE has been working great after roll back from 1709.

Unfortunately for me it appears I don't have anything to roll back to as I have already done a disk clean-up.

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1 hour ago, CYBERMiiN said:

Well I have just installed the KB4051963 update and rebooted and it has not fixed the child window or unsupported action errors for me....grrrr

It fixes it.  If you rolled back to 1703 you have to upgrade to 1709 and then apply the latest update.  If it is not working for you then you have a major problem with your computer.

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1 hour ago, ctiger said:

Well I was ready to go for the update, but looks like I will wait a little longer.  FSX-SE has been working great after roll back from 1709.

Sometimes when I read comments like these and know there's a fix for the latest stuff, I immediately think of someone with a dark basement with whips and chains hanging on the walls.... :smile:  You can update now Carl!

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16 minutes ago, Jim Young said:

It fixes it.  If you rolled back to 1703 you have to upgrade to 1709 and then apply the latest update.  If it is not working for you then you have a major problem with your computer.

Hi, sorry I'm not sure if you are trying to be condescending, it appears I do not have a major problem with my computer after all as I removed the A2A Accu-Feel add-on from FSX and now it appears that my computer has been magically fixed :happy: no more errors !

Thanks for your help, cheers. 

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6 minutes ago, CYBERMiiN said:

Hi, sorry I'm not sure if you are trying to be condescending

Hopefully I wasn't condescending.  When something is fixed and someone says it isn't, to me that's very negative and like a trolling comment to incite others (okay just me) to make a comment. :smile:  Glad you got it "magically fixed"! 

Best regards,

Jim

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1 hour ago, CYBERMiiN said:

Ok wasn't sure and was almost expecting a 'n00b' comment to be in there as well :happy: and no I wasn't trolling, just trying to get my FSX working again, anyhow my joy was short lived as right after I posted to say it was ok now I fired up FSX, loaded my Alabeo Cutlass in free flight, clicked to show menu bar, clicked on show map and "'BAM'" 'An unsupported operation was attempted' error again, clicked 'OK' twice and there I was back on my desktop. I have now uninstalled the Alabeo Cutlass as well so I have no add-on aircraft (though I do have lots of expensive REX/ORBX add-ons installed as well as DX10 Scenery fixer) if I have one more Child window / unsupported operation error I will be removing and re-downloading a fresh install of FSX from steam :angry:

It is really frustrating. Those people that are not having issues with 1709 should just consider themselves lucky.

For almost two months I went through the exact steps you say you have done as well as what you will do (I clean installed Steam twice). Also as you may have read I did two complete clean PC factory resets and still had the issues. It wasn't until the Microsoft technician downloaded versions 1703 as well as 1607 then he suggested we go back to 1607 with yet another clean factory reset which he installed and not one issue - I have also blocked all updates until I am sure 1709 is fixed.

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1 hour ago, Dane Watson said:

It is really frustrating. Those people that are not having issues with 1709 should just consider themselves lucky.

For almost two months I went through the exact steps you say you have done as well as what you will do (I clean installed Steam twice). Also as you may have read I did two complete clean PC factory resets and still had the issues. It wasn't until the Microsoft technician downloaded versions 1703 as well as 1607 then he suggested we go back to 1607 with yet another clean factory reset which he installed and not one issue - I have also blocked all updates until I am sure 1709 is fixed.

Well here's the thing...... I think I have solved the issue now with the 'child window / unsupported operation' errors after I uninstalled the DX10 scenery fixer and cloud shadows, however now apart from having ugly yesteryear graphics, all my aircraft now have their left aileron up and the right aileron down so as soon as I take off the aircraft will veer to the left straight into the nearest building :laugh: I have reset all the controls to default and this is happening with my flight stick and my xbox pad so I am going to uninstall all the add-ons and my FSX installation and re-download a fresh copy, if I still have issues after that then I am going to treat myself to  Prepar3D professional for xmas (early). 

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4 hours ago, Jim Young said:

Sometimes when I read comments like these and know there's a fix for the latest stuff, I immediately think of someone with a dark basement with whips and chains hanging on the walls.... :smile:  You can update now Carl!

Thanks Jim will do.

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24 minutes ago, CYBERMiiN said:

Well here's the thing...... I think I have solved the issue now with the 'child window / unsupported operation' errors after I uninstalled the DX10 scenery fixer and cloud shadows, however now apart from having ugly yesteryear graphics, all my aircraft now have their left aileron up and the right aileron down so as soon as I take off the aircraft will veer to the left straight into the nearest building :laugh: I have reset all the controls to default and this is happening with my flight stick and my xbox pad so I am going to uninstall all the add-ons and my FSX installation and re-download a fresh copy, if I still have issues after that then I am going to treat myself to  Prepar3D professional for xmas (early). 

I am totally with you as far as P3D v4.1 goes, in two weeks it's mine. I will still keep FSX-SE as it is hard to just give it up after 25 years of MSFS I just can't dump it. But one realizes that we are in the 64 bit world now and FSX just is not there anymore. My FSW and my X-Plane 11 demo never had any issue during the Windows version 1709 problems.

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31 minutes ago, CYBERMiiN said:

Well here's the thing...... I think I have solved the issue now with the 'child window / unsupported operation' errors after I uninstalled the DX10 scenery fixer and cloud shadows, however now apart from having ugly yesteryear graphics, all my aircraft now have their left aileron up and the right aileron down so as soon as I take off the aircraft will veer to the left straight into the nearest building :laugh: I have reset all the controls to default and this is happening with my flight stick and my xbox pad so I am going to uninstall all the add-ons and my FSX installation and re-download a fresh copy, if I still have issues after that then I am going to treat myself to  Prepar3D professional for xmas (early). 

During my quick testing this AM before going to the golf course using Carenado aircraft that created the unsupported operation 100% of the time, I did not get the errors after trying really hard.  This evening I loaded the PMDG 737 and got the unsupported operation error when clicking on Options>Display only.  When I click okay when I see the error, the sim continues but it will not allow me to open up the Display settings.  This is new as the sim crashed if I did that.  I can open every other menu item and not get the error.  I can even have the 737 increased in time to 4X's.  So it is better but it's not fixed completely.

I think the fact Windows 10 will not allow the Display settings to be shown (i.e., the fsx.cfg) via the FSX Menu Options>Display, might indicate a sharing violation.  I do have FSX set to load with Administrative privileges. 

So it looks like you were right, it has not been fixed (other than it works better 'for me').

Best regards,

Jim

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3 minutes ago, carbonbasedlifeform said:

Have you installed KB4051963?

Hi there, yes I installed it earlier, it did not make any difference to the errors.

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14 minutes ago, Jim Young said:

During my quick testing this AM before going to the golf course using Carenado aircraft that created the unsupported operation 100% of the time, I did not get the errors after trying really hard.  This evening I loaded the PMDG 737 and got the unsupported operation error when clicking on Options>Display only.  When I click okay when I see the error, the sim continues but it will not allow me to open up the Display settings.  This is new as the sim crashed if I did that.  I can open every other menu item and not get the error.  I can even have the 737 increased in time to 4X's.  So it is better but it's not fixed completely.

I think the fact Windows 10 will not allow the Display settings to be shown (i.e., the fsx.cfg) via the FSX Menu Options>Display, might indicate a sharing violation.  I do have FSX set to load with Administrative privileges. 

So it looks like you were right, it has not been fixed (other than it works better 'for me').

Best regards,

Jim

Well, I did not have any problems with FSX until the 'Creators update' and all that managed to create was chaos in my FSX installation (oh and my desktop boots nice and fast now - thanks Microsoft) so I guess my old grandma was right, there only so long you can prop up a dead horse before it falls over entirely :happy: Cheers.

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Can confirm the bug is not fixed. Got a crash to desktop when I've tried to open the payload manager while using JustFlight's Turbo Arrow. A second try with the same aircraft made FSX crash outright with the "Child Window" message straight after loading.

"Frustrating" puts it mildly.

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8 minutes ago, Bjoern said:

Can confirm the bug is not fixed. Got a crash to desktop when I've tried to open the payload manager while using JustFlight's Turbo Arrow. A second try with the same aircraft made FSX crash outright with the "Child Window" message straight after loading.

"Frustrating" puts it mildly.

Hi, just out of interest do you have the DX10 scenery fixer installed ? as I was unable to get the Just flight PA-28R Arrow III demo to work for more that about two seconds after the windows update until I uninstalled the DX10 fixer however then all my aircraft would veer to the left on take off so I have given up and wiped my FSX install :huh:

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3 minutes ago, carbonbasedlifeform said:

There's got to be a reason KB4051963 is fixing it for some people but not others.

Yes, I think the reason is because every single person on the planet has a different computer installation :biggrin:

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Wow with all the new comments I am thankful I did not reinstall 1709.  Will stick with 1703 until the next update and see what happens.

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