Cat_Dad

Pull Down Menu Too Small to Read on 4K Monitor/TV

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I tried to post this at X-Plane forum but could not get it to show up. Maybe they do not let new members post?

 

Anyway, one of their members over a year ago asked the same questions I have today. Why are the pull down menus in X-Plane 11 so small that you need a magnifying glass to read them on a 50 4K inch TV/monitor? Once you are able to get into the "User interface area", they have allowed you to scale up the size in my case 300% so it is readable without a magnifying glass. This super small size /font problem is also a problem trying to read the data box that has the gpu/cpu fps info.

 

Since most of the newer/lager TV/monitors are now 4K and not 1080, not correcting this problem will only make more people madder than they already are. People are right now doing reports on 8K and larger resolution screens so if we do not want to have to us a "Electron Microscope" to read the pull down menus in X-Plane, please come up with a way to allow us to read comfortably in 4K.

 

Thanks

 

Terry

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About the only thing you can do at this point is use the Windows Scale feature but i'm not sure that would work on a TV. I used to use the 125% but I soon found out using Windows Borderless that it actually is changing the screen size so I went back to full QHD and upped my cheater glasses..

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I am not versed in writing code for X-Plane. If I were I would take what is already there the tells the menu and data box what size to be and what size and type of fonts to use.  It would be written to say if your default/custom display is 1080, you will be this set of values. Then if the default / custom setting is other than that (4K, 8K, etc)  increase those values by the number of K increase. If it is 4K then 4 time, 8 K 8times , etc.

 

This should in theory keep those fields,boxes or menus at least their original size. If this be so then we should be able to read without cheaters, magnifying glasses , or electron microscopes. : )

 

Do we have any programmers out there that can test this out or someone that can forward this idea to the X-Plane design staff?

 

Terry

 

 

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8 hours ago, Cat_Dad said:

I tried to post this at X-Plane forum but could not get it to show up. Maybe they do not let new members post?

 

Anyway, one of their members over a year ago asked the same questions I have today. Why are the pull down menus in X-Plane 11 so small that you need a magnifying glass to read them on a 50 4K inch TV/monitor? Once you are able to get into the "User interface area", they have allowed you to scale up the size in my case 300% so it is readable without a magnifying glass. This super small size /font problem is also a problem trying to read the data box that has the gpu/cpu fps info.

 

Since most of the newer/lager TV/monitors are now 4K and not 1080, not correcting this problem will only make more people madder than they already are. People are right now doing reports on 8K and larger resolution screens so if we do not want to have to us a "Electron Microscope" to read the pull down menus in X-Plane, please come up with a way to allow us to read comfortably in 4K.

 

Thanks

 

Terry

The pull down menu looks ok to me. I am using a 43" 4K monitor ! If you want to change the size of the pull down menu, go to setting/graphics/user interface size.

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Eric

 

Where do I find this location to change the menu size? As I mentioned before, it is only the menu and gpu/cpu data box that are too small to read in 4K.  the settings in the graphic user interface is readable when I select the 200 or 300% selector near the bottom of the screen.

My vision is not what use to be.  Cannot fly real aircraft any more and only limited driver license so this is why I need a large screen and readable fonts especially when going up to the hi resolution of 4K

 

Terry

 

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What about Setting window, tab Graphics, small selection box "User interface Size" in bottom row near Done button?

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Done that and it does NOT control the size of the menu and or the data box with cpu/gpu info.

 

It only adjust the size of the interface settings "Once" you are in that mode.

 

What I and lots of others are having problems with is trying to get there when you have a mouse pointer that is many times larger than the menu you are trying to click on and or see. hence my ref to using "Electron microscopes" (these are used to see very small items too small to view with optical microscopes)

in order to see the writing in the menu.

 

 

 

Terry

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14 hours ago, Cat_Dad said:

Done that and it does NOT control the size of the menu and or the data box with cpu/gpu info.

 

It only adjust the size of the interface settings "Once" you are in that mode.

 

What I and lots of others are having problems with is trying to get there when you have a mouse pointer that is many times larger than the menu you are trying to click on and or see. hence my ref to using "Electron microscopes" (these are used to see very small items too small to view with optical microscopes)

in order to see the writing in the menu.

 

 

 

Terry

Post a picture of what you are exactly trying to do !

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Sorry no picture available.

 

I have given up trying to get a readable menu on a 50 inch 4 K screen. Have gone back to the much smaller 40 inch screen that is only 1080p. Sounds weird but with the lower resolution/size screen, X-plane fonts/menus work better. I did find the folder in X-plane called fonts and it is full of all sizes of fonts so I know for a fact that they are there if only someone is smart enough to be able to tell the larger font where to display and at what time to do it. I am not that person but someone out there is, be it a X-plane user or staff member.

 

Terry

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monitors always work better than tv's, eventually the 4k monitors will come down, i hope the 32 inch 4k monitors come down in the next year, 32 inches is plenty big enough for me sitting up close. i had bought a 43 inch 4k tv and it worked well, it was just too big for my liking i guess. scaling is the only way to fix text size in windows 10 settings. if you are on windows 7 it's almost impossible to scale correctly at all. happy holidays.

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6 hours ago, Cat_Dad said:

Sorry no picture available.

 

I have given up trying to get a readable menu on a 50 inch 4 K screen. Have gone back to the much smaller 40 inch screen that is only 1080p. Sounds weird but with the lower resolution/size screen, X-plane fonts/menus work better. I did find the folder in X-plane called fonts and it is full of all sizes of fonts so I know for a fact that they are there if only someone is smart enough to be able to tell the larger font where to display and at what time to do it. I am not that person but someone out there is, be it a X-plane user or staff member.

 

Terry

Patriot3810 brings up a good point, are you using windows 7 or 10 ? If you go to "User Interface Size" and change the setting from 100% to 200% the font size, menu size gets a lot bigger. Everything gets bigger with the exception of the 3D panel.

 

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Window 10 and "NO" the menu does NOT get

larger when you select the user interface size near the bottom of the page. That and the GPU / CPU data black does not either.

 

That is what I have been trying to tell everyone . They must be controlled by some other outside instructions in the x-plane program.

 

I can make the icons and anything on the windows desktop as big as I want or need. Only this small part of X-plane is currently non-control-able

 

Special note:

 

I can get a similar output by going into the Nvidia control panel of my GTX 980 and selecting the DSR 4 times mode. This makes the program think it is being reducer at 4 K but display on the 1080p screen. Actually what I see on the screen looks like what the 50 inch 4 k tv displayed without DSR on the video card selected.

 

Bottom line is no matter if it is a real 4 K video or a simulated DSR 4 K video, the menus in x-plane are too small for me to read while flying without the aid of hi powered magnification (magnifying glass and my nose just inches from the glass) I am blind in one eye and a macular hole in the other which means not real good vision in that one either. Even if I still had 20/20, the menus are too small to see. When I went to the x-plane site to file a discrepancy on this, the instructions want some sort of system data download at the time of the error. What is so difficult in saying that the pull down menus are too small to read at the 4K resolution?

 

Please just fix it.

 

Terry

 

 

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4 hours ago, Cat_Dad said:

Window 10 and "NO" the menu does NOT get

larger when you select the user interface size near the bottom of the page. That and the GPU / CPU data black does not either.

 

That is what I have been trying to tell everyone . They must be controlled by some other outside instructions in the x-plane program.

 

I can make the icons and anything on the windows desktop as big as I want or need. Only this small part of X-plane is currently non-control-able

 

Special note:

 

I can get a similar output by going into the Nvidia control panel of my GTX 980 and selecting the DSR 4 times mode. This makes the program think it is being reducer at 4 K but display on the 1080p screen. Actually what I see on the screen looks like what the 50 inch 4 k tv displayed without DSR on the video card selected.

 

Bottom line is no matter if it is a real 4 K video or a simulated DSR 4 K video, the menus in x-plane are too small for me to read while flying without the aid of hi powered magnification (magnifying glass and my nose just inches from the glass) I am blind in one eye and a macular hole in the other which means not real good vision in that one either. Even if I still had 20/20, the menus are too small to see. When I went to the x-plane site to file a discrepancy on this, the instructions want some sort of system data download at the time of the error. What is so difficult in saying that the pull down menus are too small to read at the 4K resolution?

 

Please just fix it.

 

Terry

 

 

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First pic is at 100%, second pic 200%. What CPU/GPU data block are you referring to ?

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Eric,

 

Only saw one pic which was the 200% and had to use the mag glass (my own and not in windows) to read the page.

 

The cpu/ gpu block I keep talking about is the one you can select to show how your computer is running x-plane Not sure which part of the "Pull-down" menu it is in but you can find tons of other sim stuff to view and evaluate there.

 

Tried that magnifier built in windows and almost got sea sick looking at it as it scrolls across the sim's page.

 

Maybe if there was some sort of zoom in/out function, kind of like Track IR, it could increase the size just as long as you needed it to be read or to make some menu selection.

 

Terry

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2 hours ago, Cat_Dad said:

Eric,

 

Only saw one pic which was the 200% and had to use the mag glass (my own and not in windows) to read the page.

 

The cpu/ gpu block I keep talking about is the one you can select to show how your computer is running x-plane Not sure which part of the "Pull-down" menu it is in but you can find tons of other sim stuff to view and evaluate there.

 

Tried that magnifier built in windows and almost got sea sick looking at it as it scrolls across the sim's page.

 

Maybe if there was some sort of zoom in/out function, kind of like Track IR, it could increase the size just as long as you needed it to be read or to make some menu selection.

 

Terry

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On 12/23/2017 at 7:36 AM, Cat_Dad said:

I have given up trying to get a readable menu on a 50 inch 4 K screen. Have gone back to the much smaller 40 inch screen that is only 1080p.

You can always set your desktop to 1920x1080 (either in Windows or Nvidia Control Panel)... the TV will upscale the image to fill the screen and everything will be much larger.  Obviously, you won't be getting true 4K resolution in the sim; but it beats going back to your 40" screen.

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You are right. Was a waste of money trying to use the 4K tv as a monitor so it got  moved to the living room. Was not the size I was hoping for out there but bigger than the previous 42 inch model.

 

Terry

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What is the fps you get in 4K? My display is also but you can set to FullHD or even less in x-plane, it will give a satisfying result in resolution. I do not notice any particular improvement by higher resolution. 

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Robert,

 

I do not remember the FPS I had at 4K but it was somewhere between 30 and 40.  I do not have that TV hooked up to the computer and am using my older 40 inch Samsung which is a native 1080p. If all I was interested in was the size of the screen, I probably would have saved the money and went with another larger 1080 model. I was hoping the 4K resolution would make a significant difference in the image quality in X-plane 11. I never really got to explore this due to the font size problems (too small)

 

Terry

 

 

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