Larry,I hear what you are saying. I used to do some freeware stuff backi in FS 4, FS 5 days, and you are absolutely right. People just use your stuff and show no appreciation. Or whack you on newsgroups and forums if they feel like it. Some of the insensitive posts in this thread pretty clearly illustrate that. So I stopped doing it years ago. I don't blame you a bit.Rob MorrisonFS Enthsiast

sorry - duplicateRob MorrisonFS Enthsiast

>Another example of the fine attitude towards contributors. >Have you contributed back to the community?Nope, and I don't see the reasoning behind that question. Are you saying that the only people that can comment are those that have "contributed back?"In any event, if I *were* able to contribute, I wouldn't be doing it for a pat on the back. The number of downloads and lack of problems would be all that mattered. If Larry S is primarily doing it for that pat on the back, he will continue to be disappointed, it's as simple as that, and a fact of life. Complaining about it and threatening to move on will not change anything. And if you don't like my "fine attitude," c'est la vie.

>Larry,>>I hear what you are saying. I used to do some freeware stuff>backi in FS 4, FS 5 days, and you are absolutely right. >People just use your stuff and show no appreciation. Or whack>you on newsgroups and forums if they feel like it. Some of the>insensitive posts in this thread pretty clearly illustrate>that. So I stopped doing it years ago. >>I don't blame you a bit.>>Rob Morrison>FS EnthsiastRob, you can call it "insensitive" but I think it's the expectations that are out of line. I thought that people who contributed freeware did so because they had done something they love to do, and wanted to share it. I wasn't aware that I was obligated to send my heartfelt gratitude back in return, even if I really do appreciate their work. I'm too busy in many cases, and Lou's point is correct; would they want thousands of e-mails, all saying "thanks"? To me, Larry's coming on the forum and whining how "nobody appreciates me" is just a little self absorbed in and of itself, and there's always the option to do as Larry has decided. If the hobby doesn't bring you enjoyment or satisfaction, maybe it's not the right hobby for you or you need to look at different aspects.

>Rob, you can call it "insensitive" but I think it's the>expectations that are out of line. I thought that people who>contributed freeware did so because they had done something>they love to do, and wanted to share it. I wasn't aware that>I was obligated to send my heartfelt gratitude back in return,>even if I really do appreciate their work. I'm too busy in>many cases, and Lou's point is correct; would they want>thousands of e-mails, all saying "thanks"? >>To me, Larry's coming on the forum and whining how "nobody>appreciates me" is just a little self absorbed in and of>itself, and there's always the option to do as Larry has>decided. If the hobby doesn't bring you enjoyment or>satisfaction, maybe it's not the right hobby for you or you>need to look at different aspects.I disagree.Everyone has their own motivations for their contributions to this hobby. Some do it for enjoyment, some do it for recognition, some do it for finacial gain, some do it for competitive reasons. Though I think most people do it for a combination of one of more of the reasons I listed above. IMO there's nothing wrong with any of those reasons for producing FS add-ons, its why we have such large libraries of works. For Authors doing it for free, I don't believe wanting a little appreciation for their efforts is unreasonable at all.Its the lack of appreciation is what will deter talented people from continuing to put in the time and effort to produce free add-ons.Its amazing how on the one hand we complain that we're losing good freeware authors to payware, but on the other hand we're flaming freeware developers for wanting nothing more than a little appreciation for their efforts.The latter is being counterproductive.RegardsErnie.

I'm too busy in>many cases, and Lou's point is correct; would they want>thousands of e-mails, all saying "thanks"? >To me, Larry's coming on the forum and whining how "nobody>appreciates me" is just a little self absorbed in and of>itself, and there's always the option to do as Larry has>decided. If the hobby doesn't bring you enjoyment or>satisfaction, maybe it's not the right hobby for you or you>need to look at different aspects.Why does any artist want thousands of people viewing their works?Why does any actor want an audience?I

After reading these posts I realize that I have been somewhat remiss in expressing gratitude for the contribution made by members of our community. I'd like to use this thread to say thank you to Tom Gibson.I have had a great deal of enjoyment over the past several years flying the classic propliners which I found at the Cal Classic Propliner site. My personal favorite is the DC-7C. Thanks a bunch Tom. I appreciate your effort.Jeff W

Though it's sad to never get a response, I'd say that if you're in this (or anything) just to get a pet on the head and to get told how great you are you're doing it for all the wrong reasons.Do something because you like doing it, and for no other reasons.If others like it as well, so much the better. If they don't, too bad FOR THEM.

Seriously. I'd be willing to bet some money that a few of these people who are 'too busy' also spend 30 minutes plotting a route into their 'FMS.'Now, an interesting idea would be for a comments section for each download: similar to what you would find on a gaming site. People could post thanks or criticism and the author can look at it if he/she wants.Ken Weik [link:maam.org|MAAM-SIM][link:library.avsim.net/search.php?CatID=root&SearchTerm=kenneth+weik&Sort=Added&ScanMode=0&Go=Change+View]My AFCADs

>>Its the lack of appreciation is what will deter talented>people from continuing to put in the time and effort to>produce free add-ons.>>Its amazing how on the one hand we complain that we're losing>good freeware authors to payware, but on the other hand we're>flaming freeware developers for wanting nothing more than a>little appreciation for their efforts.>>The latter is being counterproductive.>>Regards>Ernie.Well Ernie, I think that just highlights the difference in our outlooks. I don't see payware as something to be lamented. I prefer to pay for something worth paying for, and then I have the right as a consumer to purchase or not, and also to expect that the product is properly supported. I think it's great that people who have talent feel motivated to contribute, and as I mentioned earlier in the thread, I personally have e-mailed and sent my thanks to freeware authors. It's nice to provide feedback and appreciation to folks who have given something, be it for FS or in life in general. I do not think it should be expected, and I think it's a little self serving is to come on the forum and start a post that has no other purpose than to lament how "no one appreciates me".

>Interestingly I notice many of you are too busy to compliment>but have plenty of time to whine about the whiners. As I've now stated 3 times, I have personally sent thanks to freeware authors. Doing that and pointing out what I consider whining are not mutually exclusive, and you have no idea how my time is spent.

>>>Interestingly I notice many of you are too busy to>compliment>>but have plenty of time to whine about the whiners. >>and you have no idea how>my time is spent.>Nor do I care. But I care that you have chosen to mount an attack as that comment was just that. An absolute "Shut up because you do not know what you are talking about" type of attack. So I will now ignore further comments from you be it this thread or others. I know, you don't care.......Jon

>After a lot of consideration, I've decided stop doing>scenery. >>My last 2 sceneries have been downloaded over 1300 times>combined, and generated only 1 response (about .01 percent).>And the stuff before that has gotten about the same response>or less (what's less than 1?). >>I feel like either my stuff is crap, or just totally>unappreciated. If people think it's crap, I would have liked>to have known what could have been done to make it better. >Either way, I think it's time I find a new hobby. >>I've never been in this for fame or glory, but I don't think>it's out of line to expect an occasional thank you after>putting a lot of time and work into something, and giving it>away for free. >>Larry Silsbee>If ya want a pat on the back, slap on the butt, kiss on the face, or whatever the case may be, COMMUNICATE that in your readme file. MOST of the people that take the time to READ the readme are also the type of poeple who will respond.When I used to upload freeware to AVSIM I would put in the readme "Please send me your thoughts and comments on this". Use that line with caution (in your new hobby) though, you'll have enough e-mail that you could brag that you're *as* popular as the President of the USA!Enjoy

Hi,You're certainly welcome! Luckily, the area I've chosen to model (the propliner era of the 50's and 60's) has lots of people just like you that make me feel very blessed.Thanks,--Tom GibsonCal Classic Propliner Page: http://www.calclassic.comFreeflight Design Shop: http://www.freeflightdesign.comDrop by! ___x_x_(")_x_x___

>>>>Nor do I care. But I care that you have chosen to mount an>attack as that comment was just that. An absolute "Shut up>because you do not know what you are talking about" type of>attack. >>So I will now ignore further comments from you be it this>thread or others. I know, you don't care.......>>Jon>It's interesting how you ascribe motives to me that are not stated or implied by any of my comments. :-hmmm