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I'm sorry if this has been asked before, please point me to the relevant thread if so, if not, can we expect PMDG to simulate the maintenance pages of the FMCs? eg: ACARS, SAT, ACMS, CMC etc) in a "service pack" or on the upcoming 748?

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6 hours ago, Robert3512 said:

I'm sorry if this has been asked before, please point me to the relevant thread if so, if not, can we expect PMDG to simulate the maintenance pages of the FMCs? eg: ACARS, SAT, ACMS, CMC etc) in a "service pack" or on the upcoming 748?

Have you tried searching the forum yourself? You expect other users to do that for you?

As a hint, try the pinned threads in the general forum first.

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Isn't the purpose of Avsim forums to help, even if it is as simple as pointing someone in the right direction? Obviously I don't expect someone to search for me, but that's what the experts are here for, isn't it? To provide specific information that the general user may not find easily? Thanks for nothing. By the way, I have already looked through the general and 747 specific forums, and found nothing pointing to FMC specialised pages. 

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2 hours ago, Robert3512 said:

Isn't the purpose of Avsim forums to help, even if it is as simple as pointing someone in the right direction?

On the odd occasion I've come to this forum for help, I've always found it to be responsive and helpful and generally forgiving of my perceived shortcomings.

I'm with you Robert; Mr. Hall's response is supercilious and does nothing to answer your question or to enhance the otherwise impeccable reputation of PMDG and it's really great and helpful community. I find it really sad when a registered member, who starts off by saying he has made an effort to find what he is looking for and apologizing in advance if he has missed something, is knocked back in this way.

A forum should be a place where people feel free to ask and comment without having to feel they are being watched or made to feel small.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that RR wrote something about ACARS etc being on the cards sometime in the future and that trying to use it now could cause problems but for the life of me I don't remember where and a cursory search has not yielded any results.

Just last week I had to ask about aspect ratios of pop out panels, something I'd asked before but could not find again. Chris from PMDG provided the solution without any of the histrionics exhibited here.

Thank You,

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11 minutes ago, funkyhut1 said:

Just last week I had to ask about aspect ratios of pop out panels, something I'd asked before but could not find again. Chris from PMDG provided the solution without any of the histrionics exhibited here.

This helped me too! Thanks for asking the question.

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10 hours ago, Robert3512 said:

I'm sorry if this has been asked before, please point me to the relevant thread if so, if not, can we expect PMDG to simulate the maintenance pages of the FMCs? eg: ACARS, SAT, ACMS, CMC etc) in a "service pack" or on the upcoming 748?

ACARS is work in progress.

 

Regarding the rest of the MAINT pages it something that we might consider in the future. Please pay attention to word MIGHT not a promise or anything :)

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17 hours ago, Robert3512 said:

I'm sorry if this has been asked before, please point me to the relevant thread if so, if not, can we expect PMDG to simulate the maintenance pages of the FMCs? eg: ACARS, SAT, ACMS, CMC etc) in a "service pack" or on the upcoming 748?

Playing around with the FMC maintenance pages is not something pilots are routinely allowed to do, so why would you need this?  Manually changing the active Nav Data and Drag factors, Fifth Pod, ACARS, SAT Comms etc is a different matter, but to provide the B744 maintenance pages as well will probably require PMDG moving all of their various aircraft configuration software from the FMC CDU's and spending a lot of time and resources on something which very few of us Flight Simmers really need.

Bertie Goddard 

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Modelling the CMC would be 1000 times harder than modelling the stuff the pilots see. Even the Boeing Maintenance Manual just scratches the surface of the CMC. Perhaps if basic Confidence Tests were modelled, but even these would involve complex timing issues (displays showing changes for certain periods of time).

 

Regarding tests:

You would have to know the effects of losing power on certain parts of the system at certain times during the tests.

What happens when you cancel tests at x seconds? Some folks might think think that cancelling a test immediately puts the aircraft back into the normal mode, but I've seen the CMC lock up for long periods while this happens.

You would have to model things that aren't modelled at the moment. e.g. airconditioning valves being open certain percentages at certain times.

Certain switches have to be in certain positions for the tests. You would have to know what happens to the testing system if the switches are not in those positions.

For a desktop sim, the CMC developer would have to make simplifications, do workarounds, etc. Because of this, it would have no value to say, an aircraft avionics instructor (who is looking for fidelity). Even on million dollar big sims, avionics instructors have told me that certain tests don't work the same way as on the real aircraft.

This stuff would be boring and meaningless to 99.99% of users. The novelty would disappear very quickly, even if you were an aircraft engineer.... Engineers have real aircraft to play with :cool:

 

My two spanners worth...

 

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Thanks to all. So in summary: CMC can just be scratched off, and the others MIGHT be added, with ACARS a possibility. Got it.

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Yes I think I remember Chris saying to me in a support ticket not to play around too much with ACARS - it can cause problems loading saved flights.

Cheers,

Rudy

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18 minutes ago, VHOJT said:

Yes I think I remember Chris saying to me in a support ticket not to play around too much with ACARS - it can cause problems loading saved flights.

Cheers,

Rudy

Correct,

It better not to touch it, at all for now ;)

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19 hours ago, funkyhut1 said:

On the odd occasion I've come to this forum for help, I've always found it to be responsive and helpful and generally forgiving of my perceived shortcomings.

I'm with you Robert; Mr. Hall's response is supercilious and does nothing to answer your question or to enhance the otherwise impeccable reputation of PMDG and it's really great and helpful community. I find it really sad when a registered member, who starts off by saying he has made an effort to find what he is looking for and apologizing in advance if he has missed something, is knocked back in this way.

A forum should be a place where people feel free to ask and comment without having to feel they are being watched or made to feel small.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that RR wrote something about ACARS etc being on the cards sometime in the future and that trying to use it now could cause problems but for the life of me I don't remember where and a cursory search has not yielded any results.

Just last week I had to ask about aspect ratios of pop out panels, something I'd asked before but could not find again. Chris from PMDG provided the solution without any of the histrionics exhibited here.

Thank You,

To have found the information the OP asked for I would have had to search the forum to find the relevant posts. What is wrong with asking him to search for himself?

I’ve answered many questions here by searching the forum as I remembered a post that answered the query. But in those cases the person didn’t know the answer was already in the forum. The OP clearly suspected it did but opened a thread anyway. If he’d said “I’ve searched the forum but didn’t find the answer” I’d have been much more willing to search for it myself.

You call my post supercilious and histrionic. If any post in this thread is superior or theatrical it’s yours.

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It's really simple: You didn't answer the question, and you were not compelled to do so. Constructive feedback is appreciated, (i.e. [answer], by the way, this could have been found by a search, OR hey, this is already covered in (y).). Simply telling me to essentially, "jerk off and search it yourself" isn't helping anyone, it's incredibly rude. Not everyone here is familiar with all aspects of the forums, and to be honest I did search for it before posting, and I'm sorry that I didn't include that information beforehand. But it doesn't give you a green card to say things like that just because you have more reputation than me. 

A little bit of tolerance goes a long way. Anyways, this is already a non-issue, as my question has already been answered. Have a good day. 

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Knock it off.

  1. This is a volunteer forum. If you ask a question that has been answered before, you may get some pushback. While this isn't always constructive, do consider the fact that, by asking a question that has already been asked, you are shifting the effort from yourself onto everyone else. The asked question is an implicit shift of effort from you simply looking to see if it has been asked, onto everyone else. Paradoxically, it's more effort and time to hammer out a post asking the question than simply searching for the (usually) existing answer. To give an alternate perspective: in a volunteer forum, a response is never owed. The fact that someone responds - positively or negatively - is more than nothing, which could have been what you got. Despite being "unhelpful" on its face, the response itself alludes to the answer already existing. That is actually helpful. It may not be the complete answer you were looking for (one that did not require you to look more on your own), but it's an answer. It is not anyone's responsibility to find that for you. Not. A. Single. Person. Someone not doing work for you upon request is not rude. Their pointing this out, even if bluntly, isn't necessarily so, either. It can be, and is borderline the case here, but keep it in the context of what was asked.
     
  2. Tolerance goes both ways, as does courtesy. On one hand, people should be respectful and do a little ground work on their own. On the other, people should be at least courteous enough to point people in the right direction. I usually link people to the existing thread with the answer. It saves the effort of typing. There's a bit of an implicit statement of "hey, this existed and I found it using the search function you could've used." Again, the issue is that one person is shifting the work from one person, to the entire forum. I wouldn't really say that puts anyone in a position to cast aspersions.
     
  3. If you do not provide the information of what you have already done to prove you've made some effort ahead of time, it isn't quite reasonable for you to expect that people will assume you have done any work if your post is requesting that they do the work for you...particularly when the ask implies a lack of a want to do the leg work. There's a difference between "what did you get for the first question on the homework?" and "I didn't quite understand the first question of the homework. I got 42, but I don't think that's right, what did you get?" The former implies laziness (even if you actually did the work) and the latter shows that you actually tried. Which one would you be more inclined to answer?
     
  4. You don't have to be familiar with anything in order to do your homework. Stuck in the flight deck of an MD80, I'm going to be lost for a while before I get anything functioning even on the most basic levels. All the same, that doesn't mean I should expect to be able to (without pushback) mash a couple buttons, give up, and then ask people to provide me the answers when a tutorial with the same details exists already.

Let that marinate a bit.

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