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Realair Turbine Duke - keep losing right engine!

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I have the wonderful Duke installed in V4 using the latest installer.

I have the engine settings set to forgiving so expecting no engine failures.  I've confirmed the configurator is working by fiddling with radio layouts and of course open as Admin.

However carefully I manage the power I keep losing the right engine with a loud bang.  I'm nowhere near the engine limits.  

It is now happening straight after take off but a few days ago it happened three times during a one hour flight.  It does restart but that's not the point!

Can anyone give me any ideas what's going wrong please.

UK P3DV5 and Xplane 11 Simmer
PilotEdge I11, CAT11, A-Z (ZLA), A-Z (WUS)

System details: Gigabyte P57v7 CF2 17.3" laptop. Kaby Lake i7 7700HQ CPU (averaging 3.4mhz). NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 8mb (laptop version), 16 GB of DDR4-2400 RAM, SSD - Samsung 970 Evo  500GB M.2 NVMe, 1TB HDD 7200.

Do you have black oil on the engine? like below

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Duke is very fragile if you let the temperature (ITT) climb too long.

Maybe you have only open the cowl flaps for the left engine.

Just try to check if the temperature of the engines are similar before the bang

 

 

Edited by orangina

Orangina

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You can turn the failures off.

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I have the failures switched off.

I have changed P3D so engine stress does not cause damage.

I have the oil doors open.

I cannot get this aircraft above 1500 feet without BANG!

Here is screenshot a second before the latest failure. (Temps and oil pressure green).

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UK P3DV5 and Xplane 11 Simmer
PilotEdge I11, CAT11, A-Z (ZLA), A-Z (WUS)

System details: Gigabyte P57v7 CF2 17.3" laptop. Kaby Lake i7 7700HQ CPU (averaging 3.4mhz). NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 8mb (laptop version), 16 GB of DDR4-2400 RAM, SSD - Samsung 970 Evo  500GB M.2 NVMe, 1TB HDD 7200.

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Sorta looks like you are pushing that Duke a bit!  Just looking at the 3rd and 4th set of gauges down that column and the fact you are trying to climb at 2,000 fpm. Strange that only one engine is affected.

Looks like a really great aircraft!

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It can climb at 3000-4000 fpm and I’ve got it throttled back!

UK P3DV5 and Xplane 11 Simmer
PilotEdge I11, CAT11, A-Z (ZLA), A-Z (WUS)

System details: Gigabyte P57v7 CF2 17.3" laptop. Kaby Lake i7 7700HQ CPU (averaging 3.4mhz). NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 8mb (laptop version), 16 GB of DDR4-2400 RAM, SSD - Samsung 970 Evo  500GB M.2 NVMe, 1TB HDD 7200.

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24 minutes ago, bills511 said:

Just a thought. Do you have the latest Turbine Duke installed for P3Dv4? http://realairsimulations.net

Yes thanks

UK P3DV5 and Xplane 11 Simmer
PilotEdge I11, CAT11, A-Z (ZLA), A-Z (WUS)

System details: Gigabyte P57v7 CF2 17.3" laptop. Kaby Lake i7 7700HQ CPU (averaging 3.4mhz). NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 8mb (laptop version), 16 GB of DDR4-2400 RAM, SSD - Samsung 970 Evo  500GB M.2 NVMe, 1TB HDD 7200.

My bet is either a spiking controller axis, or possibly a phantom axis input from another HID controller.  If the mixture axis goes to zero, even momentarily, it'll shut down the engine.  Check your axis assignments in P3D (and in FSUIPC if you use it) and make sure you don't have another controller assigned to the engine axes (throttle/prop/mixture).  If it's a spiking axis, you'll need to clean the contacts, or replace the transducer (usually a pot).

Regards

 

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

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15 minutes ago, w6kd said:

My bet is either a spiking controller axis, or possibly a phantom axis input from another HID controller.  If the mixture axis goes to zero, even momentarily, it'll shut down the engine.  Check your axis assignments in P3D (and in FSUIPC if you use it) and make sure you don't have another controller assigned to the engine axes (throttle/prop/mixture).  If it's a spiking axis, you'll need to clean the contacts, or replace the transducer (usually a pot).

Regards

 

Oh!  

Next flight I’ll disable and disconnect joystick/throttle and uninstall FSUIPC and try flying with keyboard only - that should be fun!

I’ll check all P3D control assignments too but honestly after rotate and gear and flaps up I’m sat watching for it to fail - without actually doing anything- I think. 

Thanks I’ll report back. 

UK P3DV5 and Xplane 11 Simmer
PilotEdge I11, CAT11, A-Z (ZLA), A-Z (WUS)

System details: Gigabyte P57v7 CF2 17.3" laptop. Kaby Lake i7 7700HQ CPU (averaging 3.4mhz). NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 8mb (laptop version), 16 GB of DDR4-2400 RAM, SSD - Samsung 970 Evo  500GB M.2 NVMe, 1TB HDD 7200.

You can also use the FSUIPC logging feature to watch the raw values on the mixture axes (you can display them on the title bar, for example) and see if they're moving around when they shouldn't be.

Regards

 

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

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I did what I planned but found two odd P3D commands. Mouse wheel rapid increase and decrease throttle!  Deleted those and it flew!

logging sounds good. Thanks. I’ll report back. 

UK P3DV5 and Xplane 11 Simmer
PilotEdge I11, CAT11, A-Z (ZLA), A-Z (WUS)

System details: Gigabyte P57v7 CF2 17.3" laptop. Kaby Lake i7 7700HQ CPU (averaging 3.4mhz). NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 8mb (laptop version), 16 GB of DDR4-2400 RAM, SSD - Samsung 970 Evo  500GB M.2 NVMe, 1TB HDD 7200.

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HELP PLEASE  !!

It's not the joystick controller - I disconnected it and flew 'by mouse' and got the same error - right hand engine fails around 1000ft agl.

FSUIPC log shows:

3213828 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66516 (0x000103d4), Param= 0 (0x00000000) FUEL_SELECTOR_2_OFF

It happens when I'm actually doing nothing - just after gear up generally and I'm watching it climb and waiting for the bang.

But I have no idea why - or what to do about it.

It only ever happens on this aircraft.

Thanks

 

UK P3DV5 and Xplane 11 Simmer
PilotEdge I11, CAT11, A-Z (ZLA), A-Z (WUS)

System details: Gigabyte P57v7 CF2 17.3" laptop. Kaby Lake i7 7700HQ CPU (averaging 3.4mhz). NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 8mb (laptop version), 16 GB of DDR4-2400 RAM, SSD - Samsung 970 Evo  500GB M.2 NVMe, 1TB HDD 7200.

I believe the engine failure is hard wired into the flight model if you exceed certain limits, so turning it off in P3D would have no effect. This us to happen to me when I first started flying the Duke. Are you flying her within these limits for all 3: Keep this values at or below these and see what happens. Also I would turn back on the damage engine mode in P3D. Make sure the oil doors are fully opened. Good luck!

ITT: 750-800° C

NG: 101.5%

Torque: 1250ft-lb

Edited by MartinRex007

Do you have fuel in the right tank?  Is the right fuel selector on the floor between the seats set to "On"?

Something is sending a command to shut off the right fuel selector...probably code in the panel.  Also, make sure that no key or axis is mis-assigned to the fuel transfer controls in P3D.

Regards

 

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

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