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C310 Redux Autopilot backlighting and mapping

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Another pair of KAP 140 autopilot questions. 

Been completely through both the aircraft and autopilot manuals.  Both are great!  Thanks. 

Question: how to turn on backlighting for the keys of the autopilot?  I 've tried via the panel lighting and instrument lighting rheostats, and the radio lights switch. At certain angles to the sun and at dusk their locations (keys) are barely visible and the key names are not distinguished at all.  Have not tried night flying but would seem it would be more difficult.

Second question.  I use a Saitek Multipanel (primarily an external AP).  I have it working flawlessly with the original Milviz 310 with a profile set up with the Spad.Next configurator.  With the 310 Redux autopilot there are obvious conflicts between my profile for the Saitek MP and this more sophisticated  implementation of the KAP 140.  I am not asking for support for Spad.Next.  What I would like help with is that there are quite a number of available actions/variables in Spad.Next, each tying to either what is available via the simulator, Simconnect, or LVAR, or FSUIPC. 

Is it possible to get some help with a list of the mappings of the Redux's KAP140?

For example, the AP altitude adjustment knob of my Multipanel profile uses:
AP Altitude Value (FSUIPC:0000:07D4)

There are in Spad.Next a host of LVAR variables such as:
LVAR  KAP140 AltHoldFeet (LVAR)

But also:
LVAR  KAP140 AltHoldFeetSum (LVAR)
LVAR  KAP140AltitudeSelected(LVAR)
LVAR  KAP140 APCounter (LVAR)

Then there are Simconnect variables.....  

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Hi,

As for your second question, in page 19 of the KAP manual there is a list of LVARS that can be used in LUA scripts + FSUIPC to control the AP keys and dials, and a list of the equivalent SIM events.

 

Tom

 

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We're investigating the back lighting and the controls.

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I've changed the assignment for the KAP140 from MultiplyBlend to Additive emissive mode, and edited the lightmap to increase the button brightness.

The RADIO knob controls all of the avionics, and will work during the day and night to help illuminate things. :biggrin:

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1 hour ago, n4gix said:

I've changed the assignment for the KAP140 from MultiplyBlend to Additive emissive mode, and edited the lightmap to increase the button brightness.

The RADIO knob controls all of the avionics, and will work during the day and night to help illuminate things. :biggrin:

LOL Bill!  I'm a layman here (no pun intended). I have no idea on the difference between MultiplyBlend and Additive emissive. What will be the end result?  And when will these be added and available?

BTW. I am enjoying both the KAP140 implementation and the truly multifunctional transponder.  I do have to disconnect my Saitek Multipanel to use the 140.  The problem with that is that for some reason I must reinstall the driver each time before next use (in other aircraft).

Thanks,
Frank

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52 minutes ago, fppilot said:

LOL Bill!  I'm a layman here (no pun intended). I have no idea on the difference between MultiplyBlend and Additive emissive. What will be the end result?  And when will these be added and available?

Right now, actually. I just posted a link for SP2 in the Milviz 310 Redux Support Forum...

MultiplyBlend mode simply takes the pixels on the lightmap and uses their relative values to "multiply" the values of the diffuse (regular) bitmap. The increase is modest.

Additive mode takes the pixel values from the lightmap and adds them to the diffuse bitmap. It is very much brighter. Achieving a good result is a bit more fiddly than with the other mode.

When you have time, you have all of the tokens you need to reconfigure your Saitek controller.

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42 minutes ago, n4gix said:

Right now, actually. I just posted a link for SP2 in the Milviz 310 Redux Support Forum...

Milviz.com 310 Support forum?  Not finding it. Combed through the whole forums side and looked under Downloads on the product site.

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You must be registered.  Please read page one of the manual. (or look in my sig)

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3 minutes ago, Milviz said:

You must be registered.  Please read page one of the manual. (or look in my sig)

I am long since registered and am currently logged in there under the same username I use here.  Are you indicating I need to make a product specific registration?

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yup.

 

Our support forums contain actual installers (as you're probably aware) so we must make sure that not everyone has access to everything.  Contact Osh and he will assist you... (doodlebug on the forums)

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OK.  Issue here is that I paid via Paypal and so my ebay related email address is associated with the purchase.  That is not the email address of record for my username and account settings at your forums.  So I will contact him and have him and have him switch me back to the "center tank" so to speak.

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16 hours ago, fppilot said:

I do have to disconnect my Saitek Multipanel to use the 140.  The problem with that is that for some reason I must reinstall the driver each time before next use (in other aircraft).

Hi Frank.  Getting the multi-panel set up properly to work with the 140 is my next project as well.  I haven't begun yet so I can't offer any advice at this point but I'll be interested to hear about any progress you make.  I may not have a chance to start on mine until the weekend.  For the sake of simplicity, I'm leaving the multipanel in place and mostly not touching it.  That works OK, except for altitude functions which the current multipanel config messes up.  There I do have to make adjustments on the multipanel rather than the VC unit and it works - wonky.  A compromise for now but I don't want to deal with re-plugging.

Scott

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26 minutes ago, tttocs said:

Hi Frank.  Getting the multi-panel set up properly to work with the 140 is my next project as well.

Scott,
I worked on it for about two and an half hours last evening and was not having fun.  I had a goal of quickly getting the Multipanel's AP Master, Nav, Hdg, and Apr switches to work properly with this 140 implementation.  I had no luck.  I got stuck on the AP Master switch.  Wanted to use a long press on the MP AP key to turn it on, and short press to cancel the AP.  Never got it to work like it should. I was using the (L:KAP140_Lua....) functions detailed on page 19 of the AP Guide Milviz provided.

Also struggled with what needs to happen when using NAV and switching to HDG, or vice versa.  i.e. activating NAV cancels HDG, or activation HDG cancels NAV.  Just could not get reliable results.  So I grabbed a glass of wine and quit to think things through.... Including what might happen with the single tuning knob of the MP vs two-knob (inner/outer) function of the Redux 140.  I ended up accomplishing virtually nothing.

My best experience with the Redux and AP is to just unplug the Multipanel.  Then reload the Redux.  Then the AP works like it should with no interference, and I really like the full-function and realism of the Milviz implementation.  It responds well to VC mouse input even when backed out for a wide panel view.  In all honesty, I use the mouse more often than the Multipanel in many aircraft, using the Multipanel for aircraft like the Beech C90 King Air where the VC AP is in such an awkward location.

I do have MP and AP functions working flawlessly in most other aircraft, including the earlier Milviz  C310.

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Thanks for the update Frank.  That does NOT sound encouraging, especially as I still count myself as a relative novice with SPAD.neXt.

As a general rule, I'm happiest with aircraft where I can minimize mouse interactions.  The good news on the 310 is that the AP is visible and easily accessed so I don't mind dealing with it in the VC too much, but I don't want to have to plug and unplug the MP.  At minimum, I'd like to a least find a way to prevent it from messing with the altitude functions even when I don't touch anything.

Scott

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1 hour ago, fppilot said:

I worked on it for about two and an half hours last evening and was not having fun.  I had a goal of quickly getting the Multipanel's AP Master, Nav, Hdg, and Apr switches to work properly with this 140 implementation.

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I went down the same hole last for about 3 hours as well (wine included). Not much luck either, but some progress. I did end up removing all the stock autopilot commands and using the KAP140 LVARs provided. I did not use the ones in the manual (I think they mimic key presses), but if you do a search on 140 in SPAD, you will see a bunch more that are available.  I got the autopilot on and off, heading and NAV modes working but nothing for altitude or anything else. I'll post any progress, but my goal is to get it working. I use TrackIR and sometimes clicking switches in the VC can get annoying. 

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2 hours ago, tttocs said:

I don't want to have to plug and unplug the MP.  At minimum, I'd like to a least find a way to prevent it from messing with the altitude functions even when I don't touch anything.

OK. Another two hours and nothing but frustration.  Kowen. If you could share what settings you found worked for the AP master it would same me from counting sheep tonight! LOL!

BUT -  :biggrin:  I found a workaround to the Multipanel interference.  In Spad:Next, go to the Panels tab.  Select the MultiPanel.  About two inches to the right of the image of the MultiPanel there is a software power switch named Virtual Power.  For the time being when flying the C310 Redux, turn that software switch to the "Off" position.  The MultiPanel will go dark.  No more interference.  The Redux 140 VC AP works as intended. 

No need to unplug the MP.  Just need to turn that switch back on when flying with a more MP friendly AP.

And kudos to Bill for brightening up the autopilot keys.  That will help a lot too.  They now look good at dusk and after dark.

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Yeah, I think where I'll start is clearing all commands from the existing setup and then work from there as @kowan has done.  That should (hopefully) eliminate the current interference but still allow the MP to remain on while I work on things.

And yes - Kudo's to Bill for the AP changes and oh... a whole host of things he's done over the last few weeks to make this most excellent plane even better!

Scott

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20 hours ago, fppilot said:

And kudos to Bill for brightening up the autopilot keys.  That will help a lot too.  They now look good at dusk and after dark.

When I first changed the emissive mode from MultiplyBlend to Additive, the whole KAP140 glowed in the dark like Times Square at night! It was blindingly bright! I had to add a black mask layer over the existing lightmap texture, then make opacity adjustments to only allow about 2% of the image's pixel values to be used for lighting.

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42 minutes ago, n4gix said:

When I first changed the emissive mode from MultiplyBlend to Additive, the whole KAP140 glowed in the dark like Times Square at night! It was blindingly bright! I had to add a black mask layer over the existing lightmap texture, then make opacity adjustments to only allow about 2% of the image's pixel values to be used for lighting.

I see.  It looks great at dusk and nighttime.  The keys are bright as are the radio lights if the Radio Lights switch is turned on during day.  It seems that Radio Lights knob is actually acting like a two way switch (on/off), unlike the other three knobs in that cluster, which are rheostats. Rotating it slightly from its full left position turns on the radio lights, but I cannot discern any change with further rotation.

Also, I can discern no difference in the cockpit or on the panel when I rotate the Panel Lights rheostat. That after multiple tests making sure it is at minimum at day setting, changing environment to night, rotating the knob clockwise to maximum, and then going back to day setting to confirm it reached the maximum setting.  That same knob in the original C310 is working just fine for me.  Oddly, in the original C310 I cannot get the Radio Lights switch to control anything other than movement and a clicking sound.

A tip for others,  this is not in the guide.  On those rheostats, if you find the mouse wheel action seems too sensitive for your tastes, place the mouse pointer on the knob and hold the right mouse button down to rotate the knob clockwise, and hold left button down for counter-clockwise. It is much slower than the mouse wheel, but allows for fine adjustment.

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All panels are on or off.  They are not tied to the dimmers.  Sorry but that would have required an immense amount of work on our part and we will no longer be doing ANY work for any of the Nav unit devs.  (F1, Mindstar or RXP).  If they send us rendered light maps, models, tagged, prepped and animated... along with an SDK, then sure... we will consider it.  Otherwise, no.

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31 minutes ago, Milviz said:

All panels are on or off. 

Hi Colin,
The instrument lights and engine instruments knobs are clearly working rheostats. The illumination level of both sets of gauges clearly brighten up and dim with rotation of the rheostat knobs. Clearly. And that is a very nice feature.

The radio lights rheostat only works as an off/on switch. I only pointed out what action it performs.  That was not a complaint.  I understand the issue with 3rd parties instruments. No argument!

But then.......

The most forward knob, tooltipped as "Panel Lights" is not performing in my Redux.  It is doing nothing.  In the original C310 it turns on the lights above each instrument as seen in the red circles in the 2nd image below.  The first image below shows the same view with that switch off in the original C310.  In the original C310 the Panel Lights knob is On or Off.  No dimming.  That's fine with me!

Then look at the third image below.  It is of the C310 Redux.  What you see is there is the same with the Panel Lights knob at any position. It is not functioning in my Redux. 

Orig310PanelLts.jpg

Below is the redux, no matter the position of that Panel Lights Knob. It make audible sound but does not perform in regard to lighting.

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3 hours ago, fppilot said:

The most forward knob, tooltipped as "Panel Lights" is not performing in my Redux.  It is doing nothing.

Forget to mention that I have installed the SP2.

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I hate to say it, but I too am having the same problem with the 310R Redux, SP2--I rotate the panel light knob and there are no panel lights (just like fppilot's third pic). The only cockpit lights that work for me are the radio lights. The cabin lights do not come on for me either; all cockpit night lighting worked fine for me in the original (initial) Redux version. I am running P3D 3.4xx and am doing so as Administrator. I also downloaded and installed SP 2 with my AVG antivirus disabled. 

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All lights working fine with P3DV4.1; SP2 installed as Admin; Windows 10 Defender / Firewall disabled for download and install. 

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2 minutes ago, Les Parson said:

All lights working fine with P3DV4.1; SP2 installed as Admin; Windows 10 Defender / Firewall disabled for download and install. 

After most recent update Installer 180403 from two days ago?  Confirm?

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