forkedtail

FS9 problems with latest Windows 10 update

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I haven't seen this mentioned in any simming forum yet, but the latest Windows 10 update has caused problems in fs9 use. The specific problem involves slower load times and delays between view changes and other screen rendering.  I notice that the "spinning circle" will be displayed during view changes and aircraft changes.  Also affected are the use of the functions in the top menu bar.  Choosing Settings will trigger the "spinning circle" for a few seconds while the selected function tries to load.  Overall the sim functions fine and frame rates are the same but game play is not as fluid because of the frequent delays. I have experience no game crashes because of the problem.  According to a knowledgeable friend, the gaming community is all over MS about this problem, so hopefully a fix is coming soon.

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Sadly, it's not just FS9. The update has been a total disaster for my installation of FS9 AND FSX-SE. The problem of corrupted files in both sims is the same and in some cases the issues are identical. After a week of trying to solve the problems one by one, I've decided (and been advised by simmers with computer expertise that I don't have) that with such extensive problems, the only real solution FOR ME is a complete reinstall of Windows and all my programs. Even if Microsoft fix the issues created by the update, it's unlikely that it will be able to identify and fix all of the corrupted files it created. This has been one of the most negative experiences I've had in all my years of MS Flight sims - and that's over 20 years!

My advice to everyone who has not yet installed the update is

1. Don't install it!

2. If you do, make sure you have a full backup with a restore point well before the update installation takes place

3. Pray to whatever god, goddess or other deity you think might help you

4. Stock up on whatever beverage or substance makes you happy, as you may be needing something more than normal human patience

5. Join me on a march to Microsoft headquarters with pitchforks and flaming torches and a lust for blood (OK, just kidding on that one)

Seriously, you are not alone. There have been lots of reports from gamers as well as flight simmers that this update has been catastrophic for their system. Obviously, it's not everyone or there really would be a march on MS headquarters. But for those of us whose systems have been vulnerable, it's been really bad

Cheers

Ian

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The sim is still usable for me but the pauses between functions is very aggravating.  I'll wait to see what transpires before I start over.  Developers are obviously not gamers!

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My solution for all (potential) disasters as described here and in other posts, was to pull out my internet cable plug about six years ago and leave it at that. Most automatic (Win7) updates are in relation to closing security holes but if you don't have an internet connection, you don't need these extremely irritating updates anyway. My motto is therefore: If it aint broke, don't let MS update it, espacially not when you're happy with your FS9 or other sim.

Surfing, e-mailing, downloading of addons, etc, has been done via my dear wife's laptop ever since and that's where all virus and other scanners are allowed to do their jobs before transferring the downloads to my dedicated "stand alone" FS9 machine via a memory stick.

Hans

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Anyone have a number or other identifying tag for this update?

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I have no problems at all with the update. 

 

What is occurring to your sims?

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Was wondering if you could help. I noticed you posted a few months back that Kyle painted alot of Frontier airline aircraft. I'm running fs9 and wondered if you knew how to convert his files? I've looked everywhere and so far nothing.

 

  Ryan

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What i don't understand is, how can some people have no issues and other people have issues running Windows 10 and FS9.

Do people tweak W10 to their own setting or is it other software. I guess some people would have had issues with XP also. I just don't understand that part.

nebojsa

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The update we are talking about, I guess, is the large 1803 spring update.

Here FS9 runs just as fine as it did before the update. It is fast and springy. No lags or spinning circles. In fact no problems at all.

However I do have issues with the update not flight sim related. I had to reinstall the anti virus software, and now I have to manually enable the software firewall on each boot. And sometimes I cannot access my NAS from Windows and need to reboot windows to make it accessible. Very annoying.

Henning
 

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I received this suggestion from a friend regarding the delays in fs9 operation, also known as "the spinning circle":  The April Windows update contains a feature known as "focus assist".  Go into the settings and select to turn off this feature.  Doing this on his system, and mine, corrected the delays and now fs9 is running as before the update.  It is probably a good idea to restart your computer after making this change.

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The more I read this thread the more I think - Windows 10, NEVER!  It seems that that OS is a bit like Russian Roulette and life has enough problems as it is!!

David

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16 hours ago, vector said:

The more I read this thread the more I think - Windows 10, NEVER!  It seems that that OS is a bit like Russian Roulette and life has enough problems as it is!!

David

There will be a point everything will stop working on Win 10. It's just a matter of when. Win 10 will become Win 11, 12 ,13 on and on. If you run Win 10 you are doing so gambling the future OS's will also run the old flight sims. For old software Win 7 is the best bet. Win 7 won't evolve into other OS's, it'll always be Win 7.

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My understanding is that Windows 10 will be the last major OS and that updates will alter it from what it currently is. The bottom line is that fs9 may be doomed, but mine is working great right now.

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40 minutes ago, forkedtail said:

My understanding is that Windows 10 will be the last major OS and that updates will alter it from what it currently is. The bottom line is that fs9 may be doomed, but mine is working great right now.

Yes, as I mentioned in my last post, it will evolve and once you are on the bandwagon, you will have to go along for the ride. You can see why MS gave it away for free and the strategy behind it if you think about it. It would be far more cost effective to have all Windows users on one system rather than spread over several as has been the case in the past. They dangle the carrot of a free Win 10 to speed the process up of getting as many users over to one system as fast as possible.

As Win 10 evolves into future operating systems, everything old will stop working at some point unless it's updated for the changes the OS will go under. For old software, obviously software like MSFS it isn't going to be updated for the latest Windows so it'll just stop working. Win 10 is basically a time bomb, the very next Win 10 update could kill FS forever.

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There is a setting 'Run in Compatibility Mode' that works. (As does Run as Admin)

Doom & Gloom predictions without any basis is really for the tin foil brigade. 

With all due respect.. FS2004 was released at the end of July 2003, so we should be celebrating 15 years of joy next month. It's quite amazing that the program works as flawlessly the way it does, on software & hardware that was never even dreamed of, 15 years ago! 

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What does Run in Compatibility Mode do.

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So, If you have just updated Windows 10 to the latest version, & FS2004 crashes or does not run, right click on the icon, select Properties, , select Compatibility, click XP mode, then click Run as Administrator (at the bottom).

FS2004 will then run perfectly.

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5 hours ago, Wobbie said:

Doom & Gloom predictions without any basis is really for the tin foil brigade.

There is total basis, it comes from Microsoft! Just like you can't run everything you ran on Win 95 on Win 8 for example so will happen with future OS's. Win 10 is all future OS's. It's Win 10 at the moment, maybe 10 and a half by now or even possibly 11 and will become Win 12, 13, 14 etc. They are simply not changing the name again, or at least for a while but they will certainly change the internals of the system via updates. You can't expect a game made for XP to run forever. Compatibility modes only do so much.

Don't think of it as just another OS, it's not. Win 10 is built to keep people moving forward if they want to or not. Companies are doing it everywhere just look at cell/mobile phone software as one example. Win 10 from day one has knocked out a bunch of old software and games that ran on all previous OS's. FS simply isn't part of the list...yet.

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Agree, BUT, you have to realise that eventually things to become obsolete.! 

Just as you add stuff to your sims to make it better, it is still FS2004 or FSX, Same with Windows 10. There has, as you know, been quite a few updates so far & it is still Windows 10.

As far as Windows 10 killing off games.. good bye to the good old DOS games. 

AS long as there is a Compatibility Mode... Long Live FS2004.. FSX & FSX:SE will probably die at the same time as well.

I am certainly not spending a small fortune to update my PC to run the latest & greatest, as smoothly as FS2004 runs, so, I'' be here until the bitter end.

I agree with you about cell phone, BUT... therey are a cheap comsumerable where everyone MUST have the latest. (mostly anyway).

 

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17 minutes ago, Wobbie said:

Agree, BUT, you have to realise that eventually things to become obsolete

No, I refuse to accept that! lol

I like my games and I can still run every game I have ever played in my life including console games dating back to Atari 40 years ago. You just have to not put yourself in a position for redundancy. As far as I can see, I should be able to continue to play all these games till I am no longer here to play them. FS9 certainly included! I refuse to ever lose FS9, love it!

Best of luck to the both of us and I hope we can both forever continue with this great flight sim!

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 I agree.

Have you had a look at Sim-Outhouse recently?

There just (today) has bee releases of a new Sunderland & a fire fighting Catalina!

I've ended up now with all Shessi's Catalina's & Sunderlands. It is really amazing how much support our 15 year old sim (next month) is still getting.

I prefer the older 'lows 'n slows', as I got bored with the usual point to point flying, & my simming got renewed when I discovered the late Garry Smith's (& Ed's) Ford Tri-Motor Project, & I somehow ended up as a beta tester for his unrelease Death Star project. & I ended up with a separate install just with all the scenery, planes & paints. Where else can you find circular & oval runways & also ramps?

I also have a separate install of Golden Wings, as well as yet another install that we use at our virtual club, so that we all have the same scenery & planes.

I'm using Howard's The Natural World as well. I'm a great supported of freeware developers, Milton, etc - far to many to mention, as they are the backbone of our beloved sim.

(I also have CFS2 on my laptop 🙂 &have started to play with FlightGear, but that's a story for another time.)

We have also built 2x simulators, an Avro Shackleton & an AeroMacci MB326, known as an Impala here in South Africa, & was used as a trainer. Using FS2004, as the FS2004 models are unique & also we are using the freeware Aeroworx scenery & mesh for South Africa. Everything just works, & when we get real pilots flying the sims, we see them 'bumping' in their seats anticipating touchdown. So, FS2004 rocks! & we do not need 'fancy' PC's nor tweaks to run smoothly.

Cheers,

Robin

Cape Town, South Africa 

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Yeah, I always see your posts and support of freeware which is great! I'm really only around 6 years in to FS9 as I had a big over a decade break due to life taking over. Still a FS9 newbie compared to most! haha

I'm exploring all the addons, I fly nothing but world tours atm to see all the airports. Once done with flying and exploring all the airports I want to learn a little about airport design. Then more flying, more exploring addons, heck, it'll take me over a decade at least to do everything I want to do. I intend to try the stuff you use as well, just no idea when I'll get to it.

Sim-Outhouse I get to every now and again. Been a Milton Shupe fan since I started with FS9 and especially his Commander 500. It was this aircraft along with the Dash 7 that really got me hooked on FS9.

 

 

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Especially the 500 with the wooden dash.

 

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Either panel. It's just a great aircraft even this many years on.

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