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Oh no, performance is as claimed by nVidia, you're gonna break a lot of conspiracy lovers hearts 😉(and their wallets)

Nice, so 48% increase over a 1080Ti at 4K (without DLSS).  Patiently waiting to see how they work for P3D/XP11/AF2 in one of my rigs.

I did receive my NVLinks (3 and 4 slot) but still waiting for my two 2080Ti FE's to ship ... odd that the nV 2080Ti FE's out performed the EVGA 2080Ti XC Ultra by a fraction or two (per Jay2Cents review).

Thanks for posting.

Cheers, Rob.

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Jayz2Cents review isn't so good. He's advising don't buy until DLSS and ray tracing is out and matured. 22-25% improvement at 70% more cost. Previously 22-25% for same cost. He wasn't too impressed with the cooler either.

 

 

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Jay's numbers are showing 48% increase at 4K (without DLSS) so not really sure why he would recommend "wait"?  But agree that DLSS should push that number even higher upwards of 90% increase in 4K and over time the drivers will mature/improve.  Of course this doesn't help much for CPU concentric operations in Flight Sims, but it will help with GPU tasks like DL, DR, AA, etc.

Cheers, Rob.

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I'm going to wait and see what Rob's testing in P3d4 and XP11 shows. However, it would be a departure from previous successive generations of nVidia cards if the improvement of the 2080 ti over the 1080 ti was more than 20-25% in real 3D apps (not artificial benchmarks). Jayz2cents' review also focuses on the other issue, which is the 2080 ti is outrageously overpriced, just like previous generation Titans were. But that's nVidia's prerogative. There must be enough people out there that will buy it, just like the people that buy the iPhone X line.

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Most are the reviews are saying do not buy.  The price/performance ratio is awful for these cards.

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1 minute ago, Greggy_D said:

Most are the reviews are saying do not buy.  The price/performance ratio is awful for these cards.

I just went over to Guru3D and the read the various reviews. All say the price is crazy for the performance increase. Honestly, I think complaining about the price is like Abe Simpson yelling at a cloud.

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51 minutes ago, jabloomf1230 said:

There must be enough people out there that will buy it, just like the people that buy the iPhone X line.

Uhhh....does that come with rotary dial or does it have the new fangled push buttons????

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1 hour ago, jabloomf1230 said:

here must be enough people out there that will buy it, just like the people that buy the iPhone X line.

iPhone XS Max ordered last week to replace my "old" iPhone X 256GB 🙂  well what did you expect Jay ... technology is my fascination beyond "value".  It seems "Max" is the new "Plus" ... 737 Max, 777 Max ...

54 minutes ago, Greggy_D said:

Most are the reviews are saying do not buy. 

That's not accurate, they are saying wait until DLSS and ray tracing apps/games are more main stream ... there is zero doubt that these GPUs will stomp the life out of a 1080Ti with DLSS and/or ray tracing (and that IS the future).  If you monitor at graphic artists sites and game developer sites, they are ALL over this GPU in terms of wanting to use it in their work/projects.  

I think DLSS can be realized rather quickly for most games/apps including flight sims.

Cheers, Rob.

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So does DLSS help with overall performance? Or is it a form of AA that's super efficient?

Rob, are you going to NVLINK/SLI with just one 4k monitor?  Or do you think the real benefits of an NVLink happen in VR (AF2) and multiple 4k monitors (higher resolution)? It seems like you could make a valid argument that the price to performance day 0 is out of whack but it seems like it will get better over the coming months.  The 2080ti price tag seems like good capitalist economics to me.  The 2080 seems like out of the box it will perform slightly better than the 1080ti, so I don't see what the extra $200 is getting you right now but again maybe by Christmas, it will be a different story.  I am only making the leap if I can get 3x4k with 2080ti SLI and surround myself with OLEDs.  Should only cost $6,500 USD :)

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In old titles like GTA5 1080ti outperforms the 2080,the older legacy titles not GPU optimised the 20 series is just another GPU with faster memory, and that faster memory comes at a price, we will have to see what the AIB partner boards do. 

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I'm content to wait and see what kind of performance Rob gets.  If I were budget constrained or shopping based on $/fps I'd probably buy a 1080 Ti SC2 Gaming.  Based on the current line-up of 2080's I'll probably end up with a 2080 Ti FTW3 whenever they become available.  For build tips I hear the The Verge has a great video on how to build a gaming PC .  But, I'll have to get a Swiss Army knife and plenty of thermal paste to do the job properly.

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12 minutes ago, Rob Ainscough said:

That's not accurate, they are saying wait until DLSS and ray tracing apps/games are more main stream

It is accurate.  Telling people to wait is a "do not buy" today.  It's going to be forever until those apps and games are mainstream.  There's no reason to buy these cards, especially for the price, this generation.

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Don't go by benchmark software that will not tell you what it will do in P3D if did we would all be using AMD hardware, check out Gamers Nexus benches in games no RT or DLSS.

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Sometimes a straight video is easier to digest than reviewers talking and talking......

 

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Great benches 95 plus % GPU, GPU optimised just like P3Dv4. 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, TravelRunner404 said:

So does DLSS help with overall performance? Or is it a form of AA that's super efficient?

Rob, are you going to NVLINK/SLI with just one 4k monitor?

There is a lot of tech in the Turing GPUs that will eventually be utilized.  MVR (Multi-View Rendering) for single pass rendering of multiple views.  Mesh Shading that offers better performance for tessellation shifting CPU tasks to GPU tasks.  NVLink is 5X more capable than SLI, Deep Learning Super-Sampling (DLSS) to best quote nVidia:

"Whereas TAA renders at the final target resolution and then combines frames, subtracting detail, DLSS allows faster rendering at a lower input sample count, and then infers a result that at target resolution is similar quality to the TAA result, but with half the shading work."

Good read on all the new features in these next generation GPUs: https://devblogs.nvidia.com/nvidia-turing-architecture-in-depth/

But I do agree, the price tag is exactly why console games are so much more popular and their titles usually outsell PC tiltes by factor of 10.  However, consoles have little to no technology I'm interested in, but these Turing GPUs have a virtual gazpacho soup of ideas swirling in my head.

As far as how the 2080Ti will work in current sims, no idea yet (hopefully soon), but if my old TitanXP and 1080Ti can only do 15 FPS @4K with DL enabled at a DL airport with 8XSSAA and these 2080Ti GPUs can do 30 FPS with 8XSSAA then that's paid for itself in terms I what I consider "value".  If we see DLSS added in the future and I go from 30 FPS to 60 FPS with DL then even better.  So I'm pretty optimistic ... but I also know where I'm GPU limited and that's my focus.

Cheers, Rob. 

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52 minutes ago, Rob Ainscough said:

iPhone XS Max ordered last week to replace my "old" iPhone X 256GB 🙂  well what did you expect Jay ... technology is my fascination beyond "value".  It seems "Max" is the new "Plus" ... 737 Max, 777 Max ...

I'm trying to discourage my wife from doing the same thing, but to no avail. How about that nice LG 7 I said?

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1 hour ago, shivers9 said:

Uhhh....does that come with rotary dial or does it have the new fangled push buttons????

Unfortunately, the rotary dial model is only available on a party line.

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3 minutes ago, jabloomf1230 said:

How about that nice LG 7 I said?

LG7 is not an OLED display, old tech IPS LCD.  I do like the MicroSD card slot on the LG7 but since I've only used 56GB of my 256GB in my iPhone X it's probably not that relevant for me (I think I have about 1800 pictures on it and 1200 of them our cats).  The LG7 can't record 4K at 60 fps nor 1080 at 240 fps (HDR)?  The iPhone XS Max does have 4 speaker output.  

Oddly, my wife isn't into new phones, but she IS into new iPads ... she still uses an old iPhone 5, but as soon as a new iPad comes out she's on it ... never travels anywhere without it ... her purse/bag (or whatever it is they hang on their shoulders) makes for a good weapon with swing-ability and momentum. 🙂

Good luck!

Cheers, Rob.

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Some of the reviews are quite negative. Some reviewers almost seem to be angry if the card doesn't live up to what they believe it should be.

Hearing that from multiple reviewers is actually kind of discouraging. It's making me wonder if I should hold off for a while.

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A 2080 achieves the same performance as a 1080Ti (without the new shiny tricks like DLSS), except it's more expensive than a 1080Ti...

So then you could buy it because of DLSS, Mesh Shading etc, but all these things realistically won't be widely adobted before the next gen comes out...so that's a risky investment.

Or you are lucky enough that you don't have to care about money and can just throw it at a 2080Ti. That's their only sensible offer as it stands right now.

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1 hour ago, HiFlyer said:

Sometimes a straight video is easier to digest than reviewers talking and talking......

 

My eyes do not see any difference between the 1080 and the 2080 Ti, so why should I get a 2080 Ti I wonder? Maybe in a year or so if P3Dv5 takes some advantage of the new technology in the 2080 Ti.

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17 minutes ago, nas123 said:

My eyes do not see any difference between the 1080 and the 2080 Ti

I don't agree. I think the 1080ti and 2080 seem functionally equivalent, but the 2080ti is adding 20 to 30 fps or more above that, and that's without even counting in DLSS which I think might be what eventually seals the deal.

The elephant in the room for me, is probably something nobody seems to be mentioning, which is VR performance, and I know that these cards have a new, faster VR port which is also something nobody seems to be talking about.

That being said, I have heard that these cards were originally going to be on a smaller 10nm die, which probably would have contributed quite a bit to their speed. They may have been released a bit hastily, from that standpoint. 😞

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