Flight1 GTN 750/650 Upgrade to 1803 AIRAC!

[Orlaam 306]

Having an updated trainer through Garmin (Reality XP or light One) provides more up to date approaches, based on the AIRAC within the trainer.  The sim itself is not effected, but to be more accurate, one must use the free AIRAC database from http://www.aero.sors.fr/navaids3.html

 Or the pay site: https://www.fsaerodata.com/

The pay version includes a lot more from what I can tell.  The only issue I have is that some of the ATIS frequencies are not operational, despite the frequency being the same in the AFCAD.

Also, using the updated magdec (fsaerodata includes one with their app/install) will provide better alignment with runway course changes. 

The problem I see with the trainer is that certain features have to be activated by the developer to get full access.  IOW, the Reality XP version includes visual approach guidance feature, which essentially places lateral tracking and a vertical glideslope on nearly every runway, even if the airport has no ILS or GPS/RNAV approach.  The RXP version also includes the VNAV feature with a TOD and altitude reference at each waypoint, with temp compensation and a handful of other tidbits.  You can fine tune the RXP GTN to your liking, choosing either VNAV or older VCALC feature.  Whereas the Flight One version does not seem to activate or include the visual guidance mode or other features that are newer in the Garmin.

Edited January 4, 2019 by Orlaam

[FPStewy 538]

Let me rephrase my question.... and maybe I'm totally wrong and don't understand.

If  P3D through  https://www.fsaerodata.com/  is updated to the latest cycle which is 1901, and my Little Nav Map is at 1901 or even the GTN at 1803.

Both the GTN and LNM has 5 approaches for KOLM but the default P3D GPS (GNS530) with cycle 1901 only has two approaches listed.

From fsAerodata "implements aprox. 65,000 SIDs and STARs procedures that can be simulated using a new feature available on Prepar3D GPS units. Feature is available with the 'PROC' (Procedures) button."

If you goto P3D with the default gps should you not be able to see the SID and START for KOLM under PROC ?

 

[JRBarrett 3,038]

40 minutes ago, FPStewy said:

Let me rephrase my question.... and maybe I'm totally wrong and don't understand.

If  P3D through  https://www.fsaerodata.com/  is updated to the latest cycle which is 1901, and my Little Nav Map is at 1901 or even the GTN at 1803.

Both the GTN and LNM has 5 approaches for KOLM but the default P3D GPS (GNS530) with cycle 1901 only has two approaches listed.

From fsAerodata "implements aprox. 65,000 SIDs and STARs procedures that can be simulated using a new feature available on Prepar3D GPS units. Feature is available with the 'PROC' (Procedures) button."

If you goto P3D with the default gps should you not be able to see the SID and START for KOLM under PROC ?

 

I have FSAerodata. I just checked, and I do have all 5 approaches at KOLM in the default GPS.

FSAD creates three entries in your scenery library: FSAD_Navaids, FSAD_Approaches and FSAD_Approaches1. These should be placed at the very top of your scenery library so they take priority over all other installed scenery.

(With the 1901 release, FSAD appears to have added a fourth category: FSAD_Comms)

If these entries are not in the correct location, the easiest way to move them is to use the free Lorby Scenery Organizer, though I believe you can also do it from within the scenery library screen in P3D.

If you own any Orbx products, and use FTX Central, just opening that program will move the FSAD entries down in priority for some reason. I have to use the Lorby Organizer to fix the FSAD entries after any use of FTX Central.

[jabloomf1230 2,445]

You need to to read the fsaerodata release notes for the various AIRACs. Multiple approaches that varied only by runway were consolidated. The rearrangement of fsaerodata files in the scenery library was done to eliminate a conflict with VOXATC.

[JRBarrett 3,038]

1 hour ago, jabloomf1230 said:

You need to to read the fsaerodata release notes for the various AIRACs. Multiple approaches that varied only by runway were consolidated. The rearrangement of fsaerodata files in the scenery library was done to eliminate a conflict with VOXATC.

In the OP's case, with FS Aerodata active (and placed at the top of the scenery library), I am showing all 5 current KOLM approaches in the default P3D GPS: ILS 17, RNAV 17, RNAV 35, VOR 35 and VOR-A, and each can be loaded and activated.

There is a specific problem caused by Orbx FTX Central, where opening the program will scatter the various FSAD entries at various lower priority locations in the scenery library - even with the ORBX injection point properly set. It does the same thing to the FSElite Time Zone Fixer entry, which has to be at the very top of the library. Easy to fix with the Lorby Organizer.

[FPStewy 538]

4 hours ago, JRBarrett said:

I have FSAerodata. I just checked, and I do have all 5 approaches at KOLM in the default GPS.

FSAD creates three entries in your scenery library: FSAD_Navaids, FSAD_Approaches and FSAD_Approaches1. These should be placed at the very top of your scenery library so they take priority over all other installed scenery.

 

wow thanks you so much for this info, got Lorby put them on top and it all works. I never though I'd see the day when P3D's default GPS, LNM, GTN's and P2A would all be in sync.

I think to that if you load FTX Central it resets all the orbx to default making Lorby now a must.

[JRBarrett 3,038]

6 hours ago, FPStewy said:

wow thanks you so much for this info, got Lorby put them on top and it all works. I never though I'd see the day when P3D's default GPS, LNM, GTN's and P2A would all be in sync.

I think to that if you load FTX Central it resets all the orbx to default making Lorby now a must.

The the Lorby Organizer is an outstanding utility.

[FPStewy 538]

I did a test with the default P3D GNS 430 in the Baron 58 and was able to match every cycle 1901 LNM flight plan waypoint with the P2ATC flight plan into CYYJ with the Disco3 arrival and RNAV-Z 27 with UKNUP Transition. How crazy is that.

 

[Kevin_mccue 4]

On 1/8/2019 at 6:53 PM, FPStewy said:

I did a test with the default P3D GNS 430 in the Baron 58 and was able to match every cycle 1901 LNM flight plan waypoint with the P2ATC flight plan into CYYJ with the Disco3 arrival and RNAV-Z 27 with UKNUP Transition. How crazy is that.

 

Just remember garmin is slow to update, so you may start to see discrepancies  between P3D at airac 1901 and your GTN at 1803, I decided to not update P3D past 1811 so I could try to keep everything in sync.

[FPStewy 538]

49 minutes ago, Kevin_mccue said:

Just remember garmin is slow to update, so you may start to see discrepancies  between P3D at airac 1901 and your GTN at 1803, I decided to not update P3D past 1811 so I could try to keep everything in sync.

exactly right, when I learned of this and decided to do this, fsaerodata and navigraph were at 1901 and you can't go back so right now I'm staying with 1901. I get the odd waypoint locked in the GTN but weird thing is that I'm easily able to edit the flight plan with the exact 1901 flight plan with the same waypoints that were locked. What I'm saying is that the waypoint that was locked in the GTN do exist so I just graphically adjust the GTN's plan to match, takes a few seconds at most, not a big deal.

[Jim Young 2,356]

I am going to close this topic.

It is my understanding that the distribution of Garmin databases is illegal and a copyright infringement and software piracy if the databases are distributed.  The databases cost $1324 and members can purchase the databases but cannot distribute them.  The databases are offered as Garmin subscriptions.  We have received several reports of members here at AVSIM requesting various old and new Garmin databases and told it is totally illegal and considered piracy.  I have already hidden several posts in a topic in the RXP Forums asking for databases.   I do not think many members realize the seriousness of distributing software that costs over $1300. The AVSIM Terms of Service states:

Copyright and Intellectual Property: You will not post or otherwise place material on AVSIM, in its library or elsewhere that is protected by copyright or is the intellectual property of another. If you wish to upload or place on AVSIM material copyrighted by someone else, you are required to have their emailed authorization to do so and you must provide that authorization email to AVSIM staff for verification BEFORE you use it within AVSIM. Items such as images that are not made by you, aircraft manuals, images from other sites, etc., are all examples of copyrighted material that you cannot upload or place on AVSIM.

We also have a policy on Copyrights under Rules and Policies.

In addition, if the databases were legal, I would suspect FlightOne would be issuing updates and they are not.  Same at Reality XP.  Anytime you see something you think is free or cheap, one should get suspicious.  I have been advised by Flight One these databases are not cheap.  You get the AIRAC that comes with them.  Any additional databases or distribution of databases is illegal.