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First flight complete... A few bugs, mainly again in the navigation.

  • Set that parking brake straight away or you will be rolling.
  • To taxi away, MINIMAL power.
  • Climb out, where has all that power gone? 

Navigation

  • Like the FA50 (sometimes) the FMC does not progress the magenta line when passing waypoints. The aircraft will however follow the planned route. 
  • I have the updated Navigraph AIRAC, however some approaches and SID's are not available to select.
  • Runway selection is also not available for arrival airports. I have tested EGHI, EGTC, EGGW, EGCC.

Autopilot

  • Don't really know where to start really...

Other initial thoughts

  • No minima callouts 
  • Frame rate hungry compared to the Citations, Hawker 850 and FA50 I own.

Overall... Good start, needs work, and I probably need some practice too!

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Agree with the list from @Tom_Gratton ...

  • The "beep" sound when autopilot is engaged, is that the TRIM ...? Is there any way possible to turn its volume down or off ...?
  • The "beep" sound when doors are open even when cockpit is in cold-and-dark, where does it come from and where do you shut is up ...?

If we could get rid of the 'noise' then we could concentrate on learning how to fly this Lady properly 🤣😁

It is as if the plane is too light - it's way too sensitive on the ground and in the air ... as a King200 pilot, I've managed to get the balance (more-or-less) right by changing the MOI in the aircraft.cfg file of the King200 to get the feel for the real-life lady but with the AT42 I have no idea what those values should be. Maybe Carenado would consider to add an app for loading their aircraft in the future so that we don't have to rely on the P3D4's weight, fuel, and pax menu because it's hopeless.

Yes she's heavier on the FPS side than other Carenado aircraft but the PBR sure looks nice and YES it's going to take a while to get the hang of her bells and whistles but what a pleasant surprise for your anniversary and a welcome addition for all our short hop enthusiasts. 

WELL DONE Carenado. 👏👏👏

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7 hours ago, Terblanche said:

YES it's going to take a while to get the hang of her bells and whistles but what a pleasant surprise for your anniversary and a welcome addition for all our short hop enthusiasts. 

WELL DONE Carenado. 👏👏👏

I agree @Terblanche, after I posted this I took her up for another flight and having learnt her quirks, it turned out to be a great flight actually.

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16 hours ago, Terblanche said:

If we could get rid of the 'noise'

You can get rid of any noise if you know the filename.
Just replace it by an empty/silent voice file (probably wav).
Alternatively you can edit the original sound file and reduce the volume by 90% (or any percentage)
Just use a freeware sound editor.

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32 minutes ago, Egbert Drenth said:

You can get rid of any noise if you know the filename.

If this silly stupid AVSIM will allow us to attach a file that is not an image then it would be possible to add this annoying noise ... and I went through every single sound in the sound folder and it's not there. I suspect that it's embedded with a / the gauge.

If I can find it, then I will make the volume 0% because it will drive me nuts. Maybe Carenado could help us out here and tell us that if it is the TRIM sound (which I suspect it is because it's silent once the AP is off) could we shut it up or will they be so kind in the next update to get rid of it completely ...?

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Too bad it does not have a light model. It is indeed very heavy on FPS 😢

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19 hours ago, Terblanche said:

If this silly stupid AVSIM will allow us to attach a file that is not an image then it would be possible to add this annoying noise ... and I went through every single sound in the sound folder and it's not there. I suspect that it's embedded with a / the gauge.

If I can find it, then I will make the volume 0% because it will drive me nuts. Maybe Carenado could help us out here and tell us that if it is the TRIM sound (which I suspect it is because it's silent once the AP is off) could we shut it up or will they be so kind in the next update to get rid of it completely ...?

It is the trim sound.....its located in your atr sound folder which is in the carenado folder located in your main fsx/p3d sound folder.

As far as the warning beeps simply pressing the caution light thats flashing (either orange caution or red warning) should shut that up.....at least it does for me.

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40 minutes ago, Ralvarez232 said:

Too bad it does not have a light model. It is indeed very heavy on FPS 😢

Yeah its VAS footprint is huge too.  The 4096x4096 textures dont help.   If i find some time I might try converting some of the pertinent ones to 2048x2048 see how much that helps (if at all)......

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it is luxury but it does not have to modify the payload and fuel, the HOTEL mode is not simulated, and it does not have the External Power

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1 hour ago, Novej757 said:

It is the trim sound.....its located in your atr sound folder which is in the carenado folder located in your main fsx/p3d sound folder.

THANK YOU! Found them, edited them [trim alarm.wav -and- buffer_ap_trim.wav] and silenced them for good. 

PS: Don't know what the night textures of the VC look like on other PCs but on mine they look horrible (on a 4K monitor and 1080Ti) ... would just stick to day flying.

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48 minutes ago, Steven Silva said:

 

it is luxury but it does not have to modify the payload and fuel, the HOTEL mode is not simulated, and it does not have the External Power

Facts! Hotel mode is not simulated, already looking at how to implement a mod 😉  as if I don't have enough mods to work on 😄 👀

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Hello,

Right for the HOTEL mode not working.

Another big problem for my point of view, the Power Management.

Condition = AUTO

Power = on the mark around 60% (forget the real name)

PWR MGT on CRZ : 100% (!) instead of around 70% in my memory

So in cruise at FL130 you reach the max speed quickly.

Do you confirm that I am right ? Long time without flying the ATR but had lot of hours on the F1.

 

Thanks,

Fred

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2 hours ago, fredofenua said:

Hello,

Right for the HOTEL mode not working.

Another big problem for my point of view, the Power Management.

Condition = AUTO

Power = on the mark around 60% (forget the real name)

PWR MGT on CRZ : 100% (!) instead of around 70% in my memory

So in cruise at FL130 you reach the max speed quickly.

Do you confirm that I am right ? Long time without flying the ATR but had lot of hours on the F1.

 

Thanks,

Fred

Honestly i have no atr flying experience.  I've only flown on one once from GPT to IAH in real life.  I did know the hotel mode was on it but just from being a fan.

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Some flights done now and I have the following on my list at the moment:

- Hotel Mode working but only visually. Sounds and behavior for a stopped prop wrong for sure.

- Magenta Line way of in display but followed correctly

- Power Gust Lock visually working but having no effect

Otherwise I'm quite positvely impressed. Power management and AP working like expected even IAS hold on climb. Not all buttons modelled and therefore a lot systemwise fake but its not a pro Dash. Loaded up to mtow she is not the excessive climber but expected. Inital 1500 to 1000 fpm at 160 ias in climb setting ok for what I read. She seems a bit slow at higher flight levels though. On CL and PL auto I get only a torque of 82 at FL220...

Cheers

T.

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10 minutes ago, Torsen said:

 On CL and PL auto I get only a torque of 82 at FL220...

What do you mean with 'only'? According to the RW performance tables max cruise torque at FL220 is 80.8%.

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Have given my views in the General Discussion forum.  This model is at the same time, excellent and deeply disappointing.  The FMS is the greatest weakness, as it is very incomplete.  With this brought up to speed, with VNAV etc, and with flightplan import this plane would be a winner.  There are other bugs, but more expert people than me have discussed and listed them.  I would really hope that Carenado would go one step further than usual and bring the avionics right up to speed.  It is a delightful plane to fly, but doing the old-fashioned 3x distance descent calculation wouldn't do for a modern airline trying to save every dollar in operation costs.

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8 minutes ago, FDEdev said:

What do you mean with 'only'? According to the RW performance tables max cruise torque at FL220 is 80.8%. 

Hmmm... perhaps I was in the wrong collumn/row... which table are you referring to? I just did a quick check in the delivered ones but I don't find them that self explaining without some further notes...

Cheers

T.

 

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Just checked again, the FCOM is from 2008 and the max cruise table says 80.8% and 291ktas  at 18.5t.   

Don't know what kind of tables Carenado provided, but the real one is simple and straight forward,

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9 minutes ago, FDEdev said:

Just checked again, it's from 2008 and the max cruise table says 80.8% and 291ktas  at 18.5t.   

Don't know what kind of tables Carenado provided, but the real one is simple and straight forward,

....ah its kilotons in the Carenado ones referring to and then its matching the 80.8% fine. But it has no ktas only percent torque. Do you have a link or source for the RW one, please?

Cheers

T.

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