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Okay folks, not that I'm poking around in the code or anthing, but...How many of you use the weather dialogs (real-world download, custom/advanced weather) to get or set information? Have you ever noticed anything about the way FS handles wind direction (true vs. magnetic)? Does it matter to you whether FS uses one or the other?

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Hi,I/we get quite a few: "Why doesn't my wind directions match up to the Shift/Z display?" type questions. Seeing that we are always using true direction I would like to see true be used.Hope this helps,Jimhttp://www.hifisim.comhttp://sales.hifisim.com/pub-download/asv6...development.jpg http://sales.hifisim.com/pub-download/asv6-banner-proud.jpg


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I do, but I have to admit I find the interface somewhat clunky. Probably, you'll want to shoot me for a comment like this, as it's not very helpful/too general, but to be honest I can't tell you really what's 'wrong' with it - just that it isn't very intuitive for checking weather (my opinion). I'd have to sit down for a few hours to come up with some ideas for a better interface.To answer your specific question, I'd stick to what the weather frogs do - either you want to learn how to fly and or you don't, but again that's my opinion.Christian

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rarely. I run a 3rd party weather tool which gives me METARs either scrolling across my screen or as an audio feed through COM2.Far more convenient that way.I did experiment with it at times to set specific weather for practice runs and found the whole thing to be a bit clunky (as was mentioned) but servicable for occasional use.

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99% of the time I fly with real world weather with updates, so I mostly use that dialog to set that weather setting. Even though it remembers my last setting, I go into the dialog before starting every flight so that it will download the weather now instead of starting the flight and then downloading the weather. I don't use the dialog to get info, instead I go to http://adds.aviationweather.gov/ to get more detailed info (including METARS and winds aloft info, which I don't think I can get within the sim). As for true vs. magnetic, I haven't noticed how it is in FS04, but I'd prefer it if you would use whichever is used in the real world. (I believe airport info is magnetic, but info for a larger area is true??)-Gary Letona

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Hi tdSorry, I stuck with what I knew best and went with my third party software that I've used for years, mainly due to what I think (IMO) is a better system using FSUIPC.I've only ever glanced at the weather system in FS. I don't think I've even downloaded weather using it.RegardsMark

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I use the weather dialogs all the time, and I've been somewhat satisfied by the real-world weather downloads.I do, however, prefer wind direction being displayed by true direction rather than magnetic, especially when flying helicopters in Flight Simulator. It helps when taking off to enter ETL before entering straight-and-level flight.

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Hi Mike,I use the dialogues all the time. Like a lot of people, I like to use the Real Weather downloads, but that doesn't always suit my needs. So, a lot of the time, I like to set my own weather. I like experimenting with the cloud heights and coverages to get some of the unique cloud formations that came stock with the program. There's a lot of cloud types that you just don't see when using the "Fair Weather" scenario. As far as wind handling, I'd like to see surface winds in magnetic and winds aloft in true, as it is in the real world. I've always assumed that this is how FS handled it...guess I better take another look.I know you didn't ask for suggestions, but I'm sure you were expecting them anyway...so here's mine:1) I'd love to be able to set weather independent of the reporting stations. For instance, I'd like to have a nice big (full screen) map upon which I can annotate weather features. I'd like to be able to place low pressure systems, fronts, and other large scale features. 2) Give us a better look at what the weather is doing. I'd love to be able to display winds aloft data at various altitudes.3) I'd also love to see a radar display that will show me precipitation, intensities, and echo tops. It would be even better if we could loop the data and get a realistic radar history.I know you don't like long posts, so I'll leave it at that.Thanks for taking the time to ask our opinions. Regards,Nick

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I use them all the time. Sometimes RW and sometimes just whatever I feel like setting. I have a couple of the more popular weather add-ons that I don't use much but I guess I'm just not a RW-weather type guy. I find the internal FS9 dialogs meet my needs (but I'm also one of the few that likes the default C172 panel :-) ). If I had a choice on the wind direction I'd opt for magnetic on the ground and true aloft.Doug

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<>FS doesn't do this, as it happens. It's easy to have it one way or the other. That's why I asked the question. So, if you couldn't have it split like you want, and had to choose true or magnetic, which would you prefer?

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Hi there,this reply is from the dim one in the corner. I had no idea there were two sorts of wind(!). Sometimes I change the direction when ATC offers a runway I don't want and as I get to understand a little bit more about the sim I do use the 'advanced' weather a bit more, but it is awkward to use and often the info I dial in doesn't seem to show on the screen when flying.I would like to do more with it.Andy.edit: I don't have any weather add-ons.

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Sometimes but most of the time using 3 party software weather tool which uses true direction :-)Andr

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Can't say I have noticed any difference in wind direction, but in my opinion it would make the most sense to have it use the same system used to chose runway identifiers. That said, I have a habit of landing any way I want, anywhere I want, regardless of the wind. Unless I'm on a BFU job or actually trying to fly realistically. I've been known to do tailwind landings, not to mention trying to land various bush planes (or helicopters) on the sides of mountains, building rooftops, or bridges. Though the bridges really date back to my FUII days since the bridges in flight sim aren't really landable in my experience. :)I do use updating real weather most of the time, and when I'm not I generally use a weather theme. Making custom weather in FS9, in my experience, takes too long when I want to just go fly. :)As an aside, I have at times noticed a difference between the current METAR and the actual FS9 real weather. I can only assume this is due to the weather data at Jeppensen not being updated as often."Let me help you out. You're cleared to taxi any way you can to any runway you see."

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As I understand rwy designators, ILS courses, VOR radials, direction info in aeronautical charts etc., etc. are all in magnetic. Also most avionics use magnetic heading. For all those reasons I would like to see wind directions also in magnetic. True would be too confusing.Wolfgang

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ICAO Annex 5 says that wind direction for takeoff and landing is magnetic and true otherwise. If we can't have both, I'd prefer magnetic because that's more important for takeoff and landing.

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tdragger,Great topic. If we are striving for "As Real As It Gets" then it must be based on magnetic. All tracks, headings, and runways are stated in terms of magnetic north. In addition, wind direction is usually given in terms of true north, EXCEPT surface wind direction given by a control tower, which is stated in relationship to magnetic north.Winner=MagneticHope that helps.Clint

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I'd opt for magnetic then since I fly magnetic headings. Best Regards,Randy

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I'll just continue to tell people why their wind directions do not match up!Or somehow the message that magentic directions is being used and when it is not.Hope this helps,Jimhttp://www.hifisim.comhttp://sales.hifisim.com/pub-download/asv6...development.jpg http://sales.hifisim.com/pub-download/asv6-banner-proud.jpg


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Magnetic, to match runway headings and ATC... low and slow is when it counts the most. Forecast winds aloft are true, but in my experience they never seem to reflect reality; so in this case wrong == real. :-)

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The consensus seems to be in favor of magnetic, but (and I'm sure you all know) METARs give surface windows as the true heading. Is anyone going to be confused/upset if they download a METAR and see:KAWO 042215Z AUTO 20005KT 10SM CLR 12/M01 A2996 RMK AO1And then woonder why the sim reports winds 181 @ 5?

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Good point. Not to sound like a former president, but it depends on what you mean by "reports". :-) If the sim downloads a METAR that reads 20005KT, the important thing is that the simulation act upon the airplane from 200 true. Of lesser importance, ATIS, ATC and airport advisory services should report the magnetic equivilent; if that is not too difficult.With respect to input into the sim, true is probably better since METAR, TAF and winds aloft are true. I retract my earlier vote for magentic.

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Magnetic. Definitely.Unless you're in an Airbus, or a new Boeing and you're above 60 degrees north latitude (or something like that), you never have any indication of what your True heading is.Most people are concerned with wind during takeoff, or when on approach. During those times, everything is referenced in Magnetic. Runway headings, ATC vectors and surface winds are all given in Magnetic. I think that FS users will get the most bang for their buck if you make (or leave) everything referenced to Magnetic direction.Regards,Nick

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I still vote for True. If we are looking for the most realism possible, why do we confuse users with this, especially when it can be fixed right now, before FSX is released?Hope this helps,Jimhttp://www.hifisim.comhttp://sales.hifisim.com/pub-download/asv6...development.jpg http://sales.hifisim.com/pub-download/asv6-banner-proud.jpg


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Either way I think people could get confused. If the ATIS messages were in true but the runways and instruments use/show magnetic, people could get confused by the apparent difference between the reported direction and the actual direction relative to the runway. I would, however, expect people parsing METAR reports to generally be more knowledgeable.And for those who really want to know, there is a relative wind guage available that may work with (or get updated for) FSX. Personally, when it comes to wind, I'm more worried about how it relates to the runway heading for takeoff and landing then anything else. If it's magnetic and the runway headings are magnetic, then I'll know which way the wind is blowing. If it's true and the runway heading is magnetic, then that info is not that useful to me since I don't know how to convert between the two.Another option, which would require more work to do, would be to make it user selectable. (Either through UI interface or even just a config file entry.) Just like the indicated vs real airspeed option."Let me help you out. You're cleared to taxi any way you can to any runway you see."

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Hi,You proved my point, winds are always reported as true, ATIS reports them as true, any web site reports them as true, NOAA reports them as true, ADDS reports them as true, Pete's WeatherSet reports them as true. The only place I know of that reports them as magnetic is in the Shift/Z display in FS04. I can't remember, but I think even FS02 reported true.I do understand what you are saying and I am not trying to "start" anything!Hope this helps,Jimhttp://www.hifisim.comhttp://sales.hifisim.com/pub-download/asv6...development.jpg http://sales.hifisim.com/pub-download/asv6-banner-proud.jpg


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