No, not pedantic. In fact, not invested in this topic at all, was just replying to simple question from a forum member re: NGX vs A320 relative performance, a question which you initially said was a joke but now seem to be discussing at length. David, I think you're basically arguing with yourself here. Yes, a percentage comparison is useful, no one has said that it isn't. No one is boasting about frame rates. No one is dissing the A320, it's a fine aircraft.

Enjoy your flying. 

2 minutes ago, pete_auau said:

if  you have  no issues  running  the pmdg ngx on  your  system   than  you  should  have no issues   running  the  fsl  at all  you might  see  a  slight  drop in  fp  but  nothing  to  worry  about  unless  your  a  fp  watcher:)

...or unless the NGX is borderline on your system, in which case the A320 may be unsuitable.

Why does everyone here keep making this straw man "fp watcher" argument? The A320 is well-known to be pretty heavy on the CPU side, just like the Majestic Q400 is well-known to be very light. It's not a value judgement of one aircraft versus another per se, it's just that a CPU-intensive aircraft may not suit some people. If your goal is to fly an Airbus - or even have an autothrottle - the Q400 is also an unsuitable plane.

Myself, I fly 100% VR. The PMDG NGX/747/777 fly OK with some TLC with the sliders, and a watercooled 9900X that you could still fry an egg on. The Q400 is a joy to fly. The A320 is not, so I've got a $140 aircraft parked in my hangar. That's just my personal experience. 

People use Prepar3d in all sorts of different ways, there's plenty of other reasons why performance is important to some (if it wasn't, there wouldn't be so many of us spending thousands on overclocked ninja computers!) If performance is not a deal breaker, then the A320 is obviously the most realistic 'bus that you can buy.

did  you  read  my post I said  if  you  can run the  ngx  with no issues  you  can  run  the fsl, just because you  got issues  doesn't  mean others  have,   than there is  some  thing  wrong  with  your  system than if  you got issues  with the fsl

34 minutes ago, pete_auau said:

did  you  read  my post I said  if  you  can run the  ngx  with no issues  you  can  run  the fsl, just because you  got issues  doesn't  mean others  have,   than there is  some  thing  wrong  with  your  system than if  you got issues  with the fsl

Exactly 😎

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, OzWhitey said:

Myself, I fly 100% VR. The PMDG NGX/747/777 fly OK with some TLC with the sliders, and a watercooled 9900X that you could still fry an egg on. The Q400 is a joy to fly. The A320 is not, so I've got a $140 aircraft parked in my hangar. That's just my personal experience. 

Now we see the real reason why.

Your personal experience is based on needing to achieve 60 minimum FPS to use VR. You left all that out when giving advice with your "FPS hog" comment.

Well, you don't need anything over 30FPS in normal PC use but am sure you know that and that is what your advice should have been given on. You could have then if you felt it was needed to point out your own problem was within VR. But the guy asking never talked about VR did he?

You decided to park the FSL in your hanger is your decision base on your VR flying. Your PC is more than capable of enjoying the FSL you simply choose not to.

 

 

 

On 7/1/2019 at 1:14 AM, aerostar said:

...  been thinking about getting this plane,  the reports of poor frame rates have put me off so far.    Can anyone give an idea of how they compare to eg. the Aerosoft A320 or the PMDG 737...   are you satisfied with the frame rates,  do you have to avoid large detailed airports etc 

 

Using 8700K @ 5ghz and 1080ti

Having seen that your system is identical to mine (although I run a 1070 that is weaker than your 1080 TI) I did not even OC but use the Turbo Boost, the FSL A320 will "fly" perfectly with no restriction whatsoever. I rarely use the PMDG 737 and erased the Aerosoft A320 quite a long time ago after trying the FSL bus.  So if you have any reservation based on your hardware, be assured you run no risk at all and enjoy the most sophisticated simulation made available to us, even more so with its integration with GSX, making the flight preparation a lot of fun and the most interesting experience ever in my opinion. 

Oh, and don't ask about my frame rates, but rather about smoothness, I never ever look at the FR, but trust my own eyes to see if the simulated world around me is smooth or not, and yes it is indeed!

On 6/30/2019 at 7:24 PM, Epikk said:

Check the cockpit door David. 😋

lol Fritz, another gem of immersion. I now leave CAB turned OFF until I lock the Door :) Thanks for pointing that out. Very nice touch.

23 hours ago, Nyxx said:

Your personal experience is based on needing to achieve 60 minimum FPS to use VR. You left all that out when giving advice with your "FPS hog" comment.

Well, you don't need anything over 30FPS in normal PC use but am sure you know that and that is what your advice should have been given on. You could have then if you felt it was needed to point out your own problem was within VR. But the guy asking never talked about VR did he?

You decided to park the FSL in your hanger is your decision base on your VR flying. Your PC is more than capable of enjoying the FSL you simply choose not to

David, I suggested earlier that you go back and re-read the thread. You seem to be missing the point of everything that I've typed. You and two or three other airbus fans in this thread seem to lose the plot whenever you feel your favorite aircraft is being maligned!

A forum member asked in good faith what the relative performance of this aircraft was,compared to the NGX. As I've said multiple times,we all use sims in different ways and have different levels of hardware. I have excellent hardware and a finely tuned system,but have high demands (VR). Others will be flying in standard 2D mode and have more modest systems,or be flying in challenging areas (e.g. around London). It doesn't matter. 

The A320 is the most CPU intensive payware aircraft I own, although some of the Captain Sim planes I own are basically equivalent. PMDG planes (737/747/777) are a little better, frame-rate friendly payware like the Majestic Q400 and the Maddog are a lot better.

That's what I'm giving advice on- relative performance. Because that's what was asked, and because it's relevant to a lot of potential purchasers. I was in the same boat when this aircraft was released,and was convinced by the rabid word not allowed to part with my money. If someone had just told me straight up that it was 10%+ slower on frames than the NGX - you yourself quoted 10% - I probably would have passed.

As for the rest:

"Now we see the reason why" - Glad that you have achieved some deeper insight into the universe!

"Your personal experience is based on needing to achieve 60 minimum FPS to use VR."

I guess you don't know much about VR,but no, that's incorrect.

"Well, you don't need anything over 30FPS in normal PC use but am sure you know that and that is what your advice should have been given on."

No,he asked about relative performance,which was what my advice was given on. I only mentioned my personal usage at the end as too many people in this thread seem to think that others have the same hardware/software/usage scenario that they do.

"You could have then if you felt it was needed to point out your own problem was within VR."

My own "problems", as you call them, were irrelevant to the question. 

"Your PC is more than capable of enjoying the FSL you simply choose not to"

Uh...take a look at your signature. It suggests that you've placed around $600 of payware in your hangar because you love this plane so much!

Off to fly the Toliss A319 now...cheers!

Why don't you go back and see how silly you're argument looks instead of Keep digging the hole you're digging deeper for yourself.

The guy asking the question told you/us he runs 8700@5 and a 1080Ti. You even quoted him with his spec.

Do you really think the PMDG NG is going to be running "borderline" on a PC like that?, Were did borderline come in? you that's were. you replied to Peter saying "..or unless the NGX is borderline on your system, in which case the A320 may be unsuitable." the guy asking the question never said the NG was borderline did he? its just something you throw in there to start to justify your argument.

In your first reply to him, you said " I happily fly the NGX. The FSL bus, I install, fly for a day or two, and then uninstall again because the performance stops me enjoying it, in my particular usage scenario" well you forgot to point your "particular scenario" is "VR flying.

Is he running VR? No, did he mention VR? No, so why is your "particular scenario" relevant at all?

He has a great PC, He should not have any problems running the FSL or any other high-end aircraft. That's the bottom line. but you gave the impression it was this terrible FPS hog that you found unusable and had to delete it after two days. With no explanation on your caveat of "particular scenario," your reply was misleading no matter how much you want to dress it up. I hate misinformation.

You said above

"If someone had just told me straight up that it was 10%+ slower on frames than the NGX - you yourself quoted 10% - I probably would have passed." 

Then you should have asked here before buying it and stated you "particular scenario" of "VR flying, Or took 10 mins to look at the reports on here, everyone saw it was less FPS than the NG at first but a lot of people now report its the same level now as the NG with all the updates, performance is now great, so my -10% was on the safe side of things. So learn by your mistakes and read reports on these forums before buying, even more so if -10% FPS is a deal-breaker for you. lol

10% lol

 

Edited July 3, 20196 yr by Nyxx

2 hours ago, OzWhitey said:

David, I suggested earlier that you go back and re-read the thread. You seem to be missing the point of everything that I've typed. You and two or three other airbus fans in this thread seem to lose the plot whenever you feel your favorite aircraft is being maligned!

A forum member asked in good faith what the relative performance of this aircraft was,compared to the NGX. As I've said multiple times,we all use sims in different ways and have different levels of hardware. I have excellent hardware and a finely tuned system,but have high demands (VR). Others will be flying in standard 2D mode and have more modest systems,or be flying in challenging areas (e.g. around London). It doesn't matter. 

Uh...take a look at your signature. It suggests that you've placed around $600 of payware in your hangar because you love this plane so much!

Off to fly the Toliss A319 now...cheers!

Robert you should re-read this thread is about an update not performance despite a fellow member has gone off topic...

As for all your assumptions, I have a problem with people that think in therms of fan base etc, and think they are the only correct one entitled to give advise about performance based on a local system. 

To share your experience local is fine, but it's just that nothing more, don't speak for other users and their local experience (lot of parameters involved hardware / software / settings / etc...)...

We all are here for aviation and our passion about it, no need to defend a particular developer / product / aircraft.  (never understood the urge for that lol)

Don't get your mindset it's certainly not mine, as for performance could it be that a lot of us have a different experience with the latest builds and are sharing those here to
(my guess is that you don't want to hear them, because you have made up your own mind ) 😉

I find your comments rather offensive to point to some of a fellow simmer his 3d party add-ons or to call others fans, has nothing to do with this thread and only weaken your own arguments.

Funny is your last sentence and explains rather a lot.

Ok back on topic (enough wasted on this pointless off topic discussion) and the update from FSLabs which is great 🙂

 

Edited July 3, 20196 yr by awf

1 minute ago, awf said:

Robert you should re-read this thread is about an update not performance despite a fellow member has gone off topic...

As for all your assumptions, I have a problem with people that think in therms of fan base etc, and think they are the only correct one entitled to give advise about performance based on a local system. 

To share your experience local is fine, but it's just that nothing more, don't speak for other users and there local experience (lot of parameters involved hardware and software)...

We all are here for aviation and our passion about it, no need to defend a particular developer / product / aircraft.  (never understood the urge for that lol)

Don't get your mindset it's certainly not mine, as for performance could it be that a lot of us have a different experience with the latest builds and are sharing those here to
(my guess is that you don't want to hear them, because you have made up your own mind lol) 😉

I find your comments rather offensive to point to some of a fellow simmer his 3d party add-ons or to call others fans, has nothing to do with this thread and only weaken your own arguments.

Funny is your last sentence and explains rather a lot.

Ok back on topic and the update from FSLabs which is great 🙂  

Someone asked a simple question, I gave a simple answer, this thread went off the rails because some of you feel the need to attack in order to defend your favourite addon. It's honestly kind of odd. I just came here to read about the update too, because I was hoping to hear something about what it brought to the table (particularly any performance improvements).

"Ok back on topic" - if you're going to try and put things back on topic, why the ongoing attack before it? 

"As for all your assumptions". I have made no assumptions. I think some others here make assumptions about other peoples usage of sims, as I've covered in depth.

" I have a problem with people that think in therms of fan base etc, and think they are the only correct one entitled to give advise about performance based on a local system." If I could actually understand that sentence, I'd probably find it offensive, but who knows?

"To share your experience local is fine, but it's just that nothing more, don't speak for other users and there local experience." Thanks for your permission to share my experience, but I don't need it and didn't ask for it.

"no need to defend a particular developer / product / aircraft." You just spent the last page with Nyxx attacking me because I said the A320 has a worse frame rate than another aircraft! You are 100% the one defending a particular developer/product/aircraft. I haven't even remotely done that anywhere here?!?

"I find your comments rather offensive to point to some of a fellow simmer his 3d party add-ons or to call others fans, has nothing to do with this thread and only weaken your own arguments."

Again, I don't really know what you're saying, but I would probably find it mildly offensive if I did!

"Funny is your last sentence and explains rather a lot."

I wouldn't overthink it. I'm having an X-plane week. The month before that was all P3D. I use all the sims, depending on my mood and what works best. These kind of "ahah! Gotcha!" comments from you and some others here suggest to me you're looking for a conspiracy where none exists.

Look, I've been foolish enough to keep responding to you and that other bloke, but I'm not sure why. I don't have an axe to grind against FSL, I've invested in this aircraft too and I'd like to get it working in a way that I enjoy, either now or in the future.

Enjoy your A320 flying, that's all from me for now.

 

 

8 hours ago, OzWhitey said:

Someone asked a simple question, I gave a simple answer, this thread went off the rails because some of you feel the need to attack in order to defend your favourite addon. It's honestly kind of odd. I just came here to read about the update too, because I was hoping to hear something about what it brought to the table (particularly any performance improvements).

"Ok back on topic" - if you're going to try and put things back on topic, why the ongoing attack before it? 

"As for all your assumptions". I have made no assumptions. I think some others here make assumptions about other peoples usage of sims, as I've covered in depth.

" I have a problem with people that think in therms of fan base etc, and think they are the only correct one entitled to give advise about performance based on a local system." If I could actually understand that sentence, I'd probably find it offensive, but who knows?

"To share your experience local is fine, but it's just that nothing more, don't speak for other users and there local experience." Thanks for your permission to share my experience, but I don't need it and didn't ask for it.

"no need to defend a particular developer / product / aircraft." You just spent the last page with Nyxx attacking me because I said the A320 has a worse frame rate than another aircraft! You are 100% the one defending a particular developer/product/aircraft. I haven't even remotely done that anywhere here?!?

"I find your comments rather offensive to point to some of a fellow simmer his 3d party add-ons or to call others fans, has nothing to do with this thread and only weaken your own arguments."

Again, I don't really know what you're saying, but I would probably find it mildly offensive if I did!

"Funny is your last sentence and explains rather a lot."

I wouldn't overthink it. I'm having an X-plane week. The month before that was all P3D. I use all the sims, depending on my mood and what works best. These kind of "ahah! Gotcha!" comments from you and some others here suggest to me you're looking for a conspiracy where none exists.

Look, I've been foolish enough to keep responding to you and that other bloke, but I'm not sure why. I don't have an axe to grind against FSL, I've invested in this aircraft too and I'd like to get it working in a way that I enjoy, either now or in the future.

Enjoy your A320 flying, that's all from me for now.

 

 

But your arrogance or all those silly arguments or sudden "I don't understand what you mean to say "attitude" that is what disturbs me...

I'm far to old for this childish behavior and non sense.

Wise advise re-read this topic carefully I give you a friendly pointer to make my point...

You said: quote " Uh...take a look at your signature. It suggests that you've placed around $600 of payware in your hangar because you love this plane so much! "

I responded: " I find your comments rather offensive to point to some of a fellow simmer his 3d party add-ons or to call others fans, has nothing to do with this thread and only weaken your own arguments"

You said: quote "Again, I don't really know what you're saying, but I would probably find it mildly offensive if I did!"

I said: "Funny is your last sentence and explains rather a lot." I mend with that there is a lot of frustration in that sentence 😉

You see maybe that's the problem, you don't care to read or understand what has been said carefully or forgot what you have said earlier.

I'm not attacking (again a mis understanding) here, but just stating my opinion / experience, which is clearly opposite of yours...

But then again in your mind I only enjoy the A320 (so you can read my mind from the other end of the planet).

I have been polite to explain it in a foreign language (for me) to you.

But you take things out of context, or simply refuse to ask or comprehend what someone is trying to say. 

Unfortunately one of the pitfalls of forum technology is to respond to the self-righteousness people.

Because in the end of the day, they only listen to there own arguments or experience.

 

I made that mistake today and apologize for that to the OP

 

As for you Robert enjoy your virtual bubble local...

 

 

 

On ‎7‎/‎2‎/‎2019 at 3:39 AM, aerostar said:

Well,  I jumped in and bought it,  before you posted OzWhitey ...  your points are noted and with TrackIR and 3rd party scenery it is not very smooth with me either.  I wonder what tricks there are to get it smoother...  it is a great plane otherwise as stated, the level of realism is first class.  I found the display graphics a bit dull (4K screen) and it's a bit hard to read the figures but maybe that can be adjusted although other aircraft I have are ok .  This is my initial view but that may change after using it for a while and getting used to it...   

I saw mention of FSLSpotlights would these help brighten the displays..   ?

 

*** EDIT ***   After another trial and slight adjustment the displays are ok...   I also turned down my maxed out graphics settings and things did improve a lot with the "smoothness"...  was a more enjoyable flight.  Maybe compromise with the settings in future with this a/c...

spotlights   comes  with  the  fsl   so  no  need  to download  it, unless you  want  to use  it  for  other  aircraft, besides  its  free   anyway

1 hour ago, pete_auau said:

spotlights   comes  with  the  fsl   so  no  need  to download  it, unless you  want  to use  it  for  other  aircraft, besides  its  free   anyway

Thanks Pete...    I have had quite  a few flights now and the plane is superb...   I messed around with my settings and hardware and it flies smoothly in most areas now..  I didn't make many compromises.  The Aerosoft will probably stay in the hangar from now on....     I have to work out how to program my rotary / button box to work with it now..  the LUA  action file is not working     (with the Aerosoft  the 'actions'  LUA script worked).  This one seems to use ipc.control a lot ...  maybe try with mouse macros for the basic buttons unless I can get some advice. 

As for hijacking the thread, apologies if you feel that way but I think my question was kind of related...

Thanks to those who posted re my question... 

Edited July 4, 20196 yr by aerostar

1 hour ago, aerostar said:

Thanks Pete...    I have had quite  a few flights now and the plane is superb... 

That’s great to hear. Happy for you.

If you have any questions at all just ask, there is a lot to learn.

I make a PDF crib that I use for every flight. It’s been update yesterday to include some new features from the new build. Happy to share that if it would be of any help to you.

Any questions just ask, lots of help on here when you need it.

Enjoy!