3 hours ago, azulkb said:

Microsoft say you can play with game pass, or buy it alone like all another product or game without game pass. 

But the "question" is, will there be two different versions, the "gamepass" version that Microsoft have announced (and wont support modification), and the version you buy in the windows store which:

On 12/29/2019 at 1:00 PM, Krakin said:

Neumann:-We still don't have all the details

It also requires purchase, not "get with a gamepass subscription", as per the OP

On 12/29/2019 at 1:00 PM, Krakin said:

What is not going to be is a subscription plan only for the FS2020. 

having a "gamepass" subscription will do exactly what it is designed to, provide access to online play and to streamed scenery.

Edited December 31, 20196 yr by mSparks

6 hours ago, mSparks said:

every review I have read says games bought through gamepass do not support any kind of modification. (not least because modification would allow online play without a gamepass subscription)

You don't buy games through Game Pass, though it's true that the files of Game Pass games can't be modded.  At first this was because they were moving to UWP, but the Xbox division specifically has started moving away from it, and releasing games in Win32 format again.  This has also coincided with Microsoft's games returning to Steam, versus the past few years when they were just on the "Microsoft Store".

It also has nothing to do with online play.  Xbox Live Gold is required on CONSOLE for online play, but Microsoft would get laughed out of the room if they tried to attach a fee to playing online games on a PC.

6 hours ago, mSparks said:

pretty sure its also $9.99 for the subscription, the $5 is just an introductory offer. 

It's expected that it'll eventually be the same price as the console Game Pass ($9.99), but there's been no indication of when this may be,

 

6 hours ago, mSparks said:

150 developers for 4 years means they have already sunk tens of millions of dollars into this version of flight, they wont be revenue sharing 1st party developments with Valve any time soon, any more than netflix lets hbo play their homegrown content and vice versa.

Ignoring your inability not to troll with the "Flight" reference, I look forward to reviewing this assumption when MSFS absolutely appears on Steam.  Gears of War 5 just came out on Steam in September, and it's made by a bigger team than Asobo, and probably at greater expense as one of their "triple-A" tentpoles.  Phil Spencer announced earlier this year that Microsoft first-party games were returning to Steam, and indeed, their three game releases since then have all appeared on the service.

 

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

But the "question" is, will there be two different versions, the "gamepass" version that Microsoft have announced (and wont support modification), and the version you buy in the windows store which:

It also requires purchase, not "get with a gamepass subscription", as per the OP

having a "gamepass" subscription will do exactly what it is designed to, provide access to online play and to streamed scenery.

No there won't be multiple versions, Gamepass is a game access service like Origin Premier and Uplay+, has nothing to do with getting access to specific game features like streaming or online. 

But good to see you active in yet another thread around here with wrong information to bring it off course.

Edited December 31, 20196 yr by Sethos

23 minutes ago, Scottoest said:

You don't buy games through Game Pass, though it's true that the files of Game Pass games can't be modded.  At first this was because they were moving to UWP, but the Xbox division specifically has started moving away from it, and releasing games in Win32 format again.  This has also coincided with Microsoft's games returning to Steam, versus the past few years when they were just on the "Microsoft Store".

I completely agree. There is a chance that things will change, Nuemann wasnt dishonest when he said it isnt a final decision yet. If there wasn't I'd have exactly zero interest and nothing to say, just sit back and watch the fireworks.

But lets be honest with ourselves, that change is a long long way from certain and Asobo have no say in the matter.

22 minutes ago, Sethos said:

No there won't be multiple versions

Again agree, which is why it looks like, without a not insignificant change in policy on the part of microsoft, flight 2020 will be a locked down purchase + gamepass subscription with no mod support.

Getting that change would require microsoft to give up at least the gamepass revenue they expect from multiplayer, which is why the chances of such a shift can only be described as slim at best.

Edited December 31, 20196 yr by mSparks

1 minute ago, mSparks said:

Again agree, which is why it looks like, without a not insignificant change in policy on the part of microsoft, flight 2020 will be a locked down purchase + gamepass subscription with no mod support.

That makes absolutely no sense, where are you getting this? Nothing they have said have even remotely alluded to this. What would be the point of the SDK then if there's no mod support? 

13 minutes ago, Sethos said:

That makes absolutely no sense, where are you getting this? Nothing they have said have even remotely alluded to this. What would be the point of the SDK then if there's no mod support? 

liveries, limited customisation such as custom panels, 3rd party aircraft, 3rd party scenery.

->game assets/DLC

sdk provides access to the things that can be modified, allowing unsigned code (what would typically be called a "mod") to run inside a gamepass title would completely break the gamepass security model; enabling piracy and circumventing any need for a gamepass subscription (first mods released would all be about providing gamepass features without the need for gamepass).

Edited December 31, 20196 yr by mSparks

6 minutes ago, mSparks said:

liveries, limited customisation such as custom panels, 3rd party aircraft, 3rd party scenery.

->game assets

sdk provides access to the things that can be modified, allowing unsigned code to run on xbox would completely break the gamepass security model; enabling piracy and circumventing any need for a gamepass subscription.

So you've just gone against your own argument and admitted there will be mod support, great. Still waiting for the evidence of gamepass being an additional subscription fee outside of a full purchase. 

Edited December 31, 20196 yr by Sethos

10 minutes ago, Sethos said:

So you've just gone against your own argument and admitted there will be mod support, great. Still waiting for the evidence of gamepass being an additional subscription fee outside of a full purchase. 

adding new game assets is very different to modifying existing assets.

trackir support, 3rd party multiplayer, 3rd party scenery streaming, 3rd party custom ATC, 3rd party FMCs, 3rd party systems - the list goes on - require program code.

gamepass does not permit (currently) 3rd party program code or changes to default assets.

Edited December 31, 20196 yr by mSparks

Just now, mSparks said:

changing game assets are not mods.

trackir support, 3rd party multiplayer, 3rd party scenery streaming, 3rd party custom ATC, 3rd party FMCs, 3rd party systems - the list goes on - require program code.

gamepass does not permit (currently) 3rd party program code.

And all is available to do with the SDK, what a fantastic sim it's going to be! And Gamepass has nothing to do with that limitation, you're thinking of Microsoft's own delivery platform. Lucky for you, Microsoft is distributing their games through other popular channels these days, where full modding and SDK access is allowed. Their own Gears of War, a Gamepass title, is also on Steam. So no need to worry mSparks. 

Just now, Sethos said:

And all is available to do with the SDK, what a fantastic sim it's going to be! And Gamepass has nothing to do with that limitation, you're thinking of Microsoft's own delivery platform. Lucky for you, Microsoft is distributing their games through other popular channels these days, where full modding and SDK access is allowed. Their own Gears of War, a Gamepass title, is also on Steam. So no need to worry mSparks. 

please put me back on ignore if all you have to offer is hope and prayer.

Just now, mSparks said:

please put me back on ignore if all you have to offer is hope and prayer.

Oh I've never had you on ignore, wherever would you come up with such a pessimistic thought? I'm here to provide actual facts, something you seem allergic to my friend. Did you also know Microsoft's newly released Halo collection, a Gamepass title, is on Steam? What a fantastic time to be a alive. Did you also know their newly released Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition is a Gamepass title and it's also on Steam? It's raining facts here but it benefits us all. 

8 minutes ago, Sethos said:

wherever would you come up with such a pessimistic thought?

All the Likes you gave to Krakin, azulkb and friends saying to put me on ignore.

8 minutes ago, Sethos said:

Did you also know Microsoft's newly released Halo collection, a Gamepass title, is on Steam?

Yes, Microsoft have released two versions of Halo, one for Steam/general retail, and one for Gamepass. Did you know we literally just a few posts ago had a discussion where it was otherwise agreed this very likely will not be the case for flight 2020.

Edited December 31, 20196 yr by mSparks

Back again to the basic, and interview.

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PC Games: We currently have three different planes here, there will probably be more to come. Will you open the new flight simulator to the community again, like with the FSX, so that they can build their own planes via mods?
Jörg Neumann: A new trailer is coming out tonight. You probably haven't seen it yet. There we announce that we have signed a contract / license with Boing. We show the 747 8I. We're also showing a new Textron aircraft, the Cessna Citation CJ4. We have been able to announce eight or nine manufacturers with different models so far, and that's not even half of what we have in the game. There will be a number of planes. It starts with very simple aircraft such as the Piper Cub or the Cessna and continues to the modern Airbus. The whole spectrum is supported. There is also an SDK (Software Development Kit) for the people who make mods. There are 250 companies currently making mods for flight simulators and we are in contact with 60 or 70. They are already giving us feedback regarding the SDK. Ultimately, it was these modders who kept the genre alive over the past decade

all speculation since september from the person you decide to no ignore have been destroyed by the facts.

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-On 12/12/2019 at 1:20 PM / avsim / 567977-people-are-flying-in-msfs-right-now : alpha testers are limited to 50 miles. 

Facts : screen from tester last update.

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- its being built on a generation old API (that doesn't even support raytracing), has no VR and will be plagued with visual artefacts that ruin the experience from the moment it is released to the moment it is cancelled. (xplane.org / november 27 / page 55) - So no matter how much effort the msfs2020 team put into their engine it will always be limited to the visual effects of 10 years ago, when dx11 was released. (page 56)

Facts : a team work on the VR. lastest update, snapshoot.

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But seriously, what's with the full-on bashing and assuming it will be a complete disappointment from now ? (page 56)

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Because "microsoft only" is dead and should stay dead

 

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Are you 100% sure there will even be a PC version to buy?

More likely an "XBOX exclusive".

 

(page 61)

About hardware needed and hardware in event at london (page 63)

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Yup -> Not consumer cards, probably dev versions of whatever is in the next XBOX that can deliver a full RT pipeline at 8k resolution.. I guess Ampere based.

Facts : alpha tester can run smooth and they have not ampere.

7 minutes ago, mSparks said:

All the Likes you gave to Krakin, azulkb and friends saying to put me on ignore.

Yes, Microsoft have released two versions of Halo, one for Steam, and one for Gamepass. Did you know we literally just a few posts ago had a discussion where it was otherwise agreed this very likely will not be the case for flight 2020.

So a like = ignore? That's a first for me, I don't think it functions like that Mr. Sparks. 

And could you point me to said evidence, even just a hint that it's not likely to follow every single of their other current releases on PC? Perhaps that's something you agreed with yourself as it fits troll narrative around here I'm assuming, where you find the negative angle to every single thing Microsoft and Asobo do and think?

EDIT: Like above, all you do is obfuscate and disrupt threads. You post straight up lies, you dig out from obscure corners or say "Oh on some Discord", when every single tester or people in the know debunks it quickly. Never a single shred of proof, even a quoted line, a screenshot, nothing. 

Edited December 31, 20196 yr by Sethos

2 minutes ago, Sethos said:

And could you point me to said evidence, even just a hint that it's not likely to follow every single of their other current releases on PC?

The OP

On 12/29/2019 at 1:00 PM, Krakin said:

LN:-How are they going to market it? Is it going to be a monthly fee, like Netflix, or will it have a single price?

Neumann:-We still don't have all the details, ..it will also become part of the Game Pass subscription plan for Xbox and PC

Plus the gamepass FAQ

https://beta.support.xbox.com/help/subscriptions-billing/manage-subscriptions/xbox-game-pass-pc-faq

Edited December 31, 20196 yr by mSparks