October 19, 200619 yr HelloIt is just as bad in the north, this is Teeside Airport FSX styleFSX Teeside amidst the arid plains of Co durhamhttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/159017.jpgFS9 with GePro and UK2000http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/159018.jpgAnd with GePro Uk2000 +AS6http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/159019.jpg
October 19, 200619 yr Good point, Doug. Let's see.Surface area of earth (minus water): 148,300,000 sq kmSurface area of 32 football fields: 0.171 sq kmI think a better question for Eric would be: if you had to ship the entire planet, with approximate seasonal and regional variations, on 2 DVDs, how would *you* do it. ;)With our current system the only option is a generic, data-based approach. As such we paint with a broad brush. Perhaps that will change on day but for now that's what we have.
October 19, 200619 yr FSX default is supposed to look like FS9 with addons? LOL! Not even close. Butt ugly textures there in FSX.
October 19, 200619 yr HelloIt is the elevation that gets me, one of the things i was hoping for with FSX was good quality default mesh without the raised airports that i get using addon mesh in fs9. looks like i am out of luckNowhere in england will you find any airport like the first sceenshot and even in the hottest days of the hottest summer will you not see colours like those FSX textures.Now i am not Knocking FSX here as i have purchased it and i am in it for the long haul, but it is going to cost me to get it to even look close to my FS9 setup.New landclass neededNew textures neededNew FSsuipcNew version of Radar Contact New version of FsnavNo goflight drivers yetThe UK2000 airports may work but if they need updating then it could be years before the are ready.And thats without the dozens of really nice wordwide payware airports and aircraft that will need updates.I think i will put the new sim on the shelf and revisit it in a years time when i see what the hardware and software upgrades are going to cost me.What i have now with most UK airports in nice detail and getting great fps, how could i blow all that away to fly the sim in shot 1
October 19, 200619 yr UK2000 airports won't work, and at the moment there's no promise of an update at all, in fact he's tossing up whether they've come to the end of their shelf life.
October 19, 200619 yr Mike,Maybe you guys are to data minded.So you use the correct Landclass from land use sources.Make the right textures based on the landuse classes.Do a test flight...And now you see a great big dessert that can't be right. What to do? You trace it down to a problem in the landuse sources. How do yo fix it? Wait untill all those government boddies wake up and fix their landclass classification then buy and convert that data and pack it with FS-XI ORFiddle with some of the textures to make them look more into place and deliver FS-X with a virtual world that looks a lot more like the real one?Sometimes its good to choose the easy simple solution.
October 19, 200619 yr "New landclass neededNew textures neededNew FSsuipcNew version of Radar ContactNew version of FsnavNo goflight drivers yet"This is why I don't chase the technology rabbit!! :) Quote from MS Flight Team Lead: "We’ve made some guesses"
October 19, 200619 yr >Whens the patch coming out again? No the 3rd DVD my bad???Ah-ha. Ha. Ha.Around the time you find your wit.Regards,http://www.bremmekamp.com/img/misc/avsim.jpg
October 19, 200619 yr HelloWell to my eyes the FSX technology rabbit seems to be running backwards :-)
October 19, 200619 yr >"New landclass needed>New textures needed>New FSsuipc>New version of Radar Contact>New version of Fsnav>No goflight drivers yet">>This is why I don't chase the technology rabbit!! :)So you didn't buy FS9?
October 21, 200619 yr >http://members.shaw.ca/sjdickson1968/fsx_landclass2a.avi>(4.4MB AVI)>>The video shows that most of the central and western US and>much of Canada have been turned into an enormous, nearly>featureless desert in this latest iteration of FS. Improved>landclass files are needed desperately.>Has this something to do with the war's in Iraq and Afghanistan...Already some practising in de USA. Lol!byeBert
October 21, 200619 yr >It is the elevation that gets me, one of the things i was>hoping for with FSX was good quality default mesh without the>raised airports that i get using addon mesh in fs9. looks like>i am out of luckRegarding the elevation, as stated in another thread this airport is one of four in the world (EGNV, SAOC, SAVE, SUSO) that have a discrepancy between the airport flatten elevation (which affects buildings etc.) and the elevation of the airport (which affects taxiways, runways, etc). Unfortunately these four were not caught before shipping.We found, as we added higher resolution DEM, that the resulting mesh interacted poorly with airport flattens - much as you discovered replacing the default FS9 mesh.A significant amount of effort was expended on FSX in the creation of per-airport microDEMs to blend the airport flattens into the higher resolution mesh added in much of the world and correct for earth curvature issues present at large airports. Is it perfect? No. Is it preferable to reverting to the FS9 mesh? Most definitely. Please don't judge the product in this regard on a small handful of problems.Given the economics of our market it is just not possible to rigorously test the entire earth. When we do find problems many times a variety of factors result in the requirement that decisions must be made weighing the cost of a fix against some other fix or feature. As a result, some things get declared "good enough" that will seem to some group of our users as "inexcusable." In the case of the four airports mentioned above pre-ship the fix would have been trivial and would have been accepted without question almost up to shipping. Now, unfortunately, it's a shipped bug.Contrary to accusations currently being made on this and other discussion boards ACES is listening. We do care. A great deal of effort is going into reaching out to add-on developers - we have one person whose job is to interface with the add-on development community. This was never the case before. We shipped the SDK with FSX (not months later as before) and many add-on developers had access to it - and helped influence it - through our beta program. We have an entire team now (see our www.fsinsider.com site) dedicated to the user community. This was almost entirely a spare-time effort before.What is ACES doing about FSX? Short term - listening and investigating. Long term - not sure, but determining the course will involve some very passionate discussions. We don't want to "just do something." We want to focus our effort where we believe the most benefit can be obtained for our users. -Doug
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