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Hi guys is it just me or have the standard and content of the most recent AVSIM reviews just totally gone downhill?They have just turned into commercials that will do anything to sell the product - even going as far as outright deceit!. Take the latest A300-600 CLS review getting 4.5 stars, are these reviews even looked at before they are published by AVSIM?

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I don't know if they have gotten worse, or better, over time as I stopped reading them long ago. The only valid "review", IMNSHO, are the comments from knowledgeable simmers who have actually purchased the product and also have no interest in how someone views those comments. DougPS: Does the real-world A300-600 have any sort of FMC? If so, is it true that the reviewed aircraft has none? (As I said, I never read the reviews).

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Ben, accusing us of deceit is over the top. As a former moderator on AVSIM, I would have expected better of you.

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4.5 - 'far exceeds natural progression' ??!!Fine work that the A300 is I doubt even the developer would describe it as such. There was a time when I would wait for Avsim reviews to help me decide on a product.On the other hand the reviewer gives so much detail that I can clearly see the actual product beyond the thick sugar coating and whipped cream :-lol so I can still tell that the CLS is not systems intensive enough for me right now.So I guess the review helped me anyway :-lolI agree with the 'dump the star rating system' sentiment - it's vaaaastly inaccurate in this case. Just write the reviews in as much detail as possible and render your subjective judgement I say. regards,Markhttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a319/mar.../sup_banner.jpghttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a319/markrey/lsd2.jpgXPHomeSP2/FS9.1/3.2HT/1GIG/X700pro256

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The reviews are done by individuals and so can't help but be guided by personal tastes and experiences. However, they do give a good general idea of the product and in doing so achieve their objective. Anyone reading the review of the A300 would come away thinking it's a better than average FS9 addon. That was the intent and that is a fact. I doubt very much that Avsim and the A300 developers huddled together to plot out a strategy to hoodwink Avsim readers into believing the product was something that it wasn't in order to separate us from our cash. billg

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What might be more helpful is to have two scores - one reflecting the reviewers gut feeling about the product, and another reflecting where the product stands on the FS evolutionary scale. But as has been said already, the best way to judge what a product is really like is to read the posts on this forum after enough brave souls have purchased it. That's what I do anyway.Ian

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Maybe so, but regarding the three last reviews, especially conserning the VC, I wonder if someone has been living under a rock the last couple of years. Turn on antialiasing and take a good look at these:RealAir: Spitfire/MarchettiDreamfleet: B58 and A36Captain Sim: C-130Carenado: the two latest CessnasPSS: T7PMDG: 747etc ...If Alphasim F8 has "Near perfect virtual cockpit" compared to these, I have to wonder how the VC's in the forthcoming Cloud9 F-104 update, MB339 and Concorde will be described ...Right now the reviews are very confusing, some views are very accurate and well described, like the fact that the F8 is fun to fly and very framerate-friendly. Other things, like the stars, and the comments on VC's is peculiar, to say the least.Eagle

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Where is the overhead panel? I sure don't see one in the review? At least not 4.5 stars worth, that is for sure. x(

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Nonsense, those comments are far more often than not themselves guided by personal preferences, bias, and hidden agendas.If you believe every negative comment out there there are NO good or even halfway decent addons on the market and never have been.Strangely all those addons also attract positive comments, so whom do you believe?Of course if you yourself have an agenda and are biassed versus a particular addon manufacturer you hardly need opinions as you've yours ready before ever seeing the addon for yourself (which is how I think many of those stated opinions are arrived at in the first place).

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AVSIM review system lacks two things: Categories & standards. You can't try to be the "authority figure" in FS reviews only with your reviewers' "personal tastes" & the "star system".Categories: FS products target at different customers. Not all developers go all the way like PMDG or LDS, etc. Many target at "fun-flyers". Like the recently reviewed A300, it's clearly for those who care about a good looking model than anything else. Put in categories like overall intensive; model intensive; system intensive.(just an example)After the categories, set standards for each. If you say the product belong to the "good looking" group lets pull out the set of standards for external models and see how good looking it is; if you say it's all about simulating systems then we have different standards to go by. In the past, some AVSIM reviews were regarded as "unfair". I remember the review of aeroworx B200 was so criticized it was taken off the review list. Never the less, AVSIM reviews are good to have. Yet I don't use them as my "buying guide". Jason Zhang

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Let us put things in perspective here, just think about what I am about to say. I challange those that think Avsims reviews are wrong to step up and do some reviews for Avsim. Now if you were to do that I wonder how long it would be before someone accused you of being biased or deceitful? I can promise you it would happen very quickly! I too at times have disagreed with a review but since it is a person with all of his or her own likes and dislikes factoring into the equation I expect this. Humans are not computers and their own personal opinions will almost always factor into the equation. That leaves us, in the case of these reviews, with people that will completely disagree because their own opinions are far different than that of the reviewer. In the long run I do find that the reviews here are pretty good and they do keep to the intent of the star rating system the vast majority of the time. The best review is always going to be done by many people, then you get a more balanced opinion on a subject. To accuse Avsim of deceit and that they will do anything to sell a product is narrow minded indeed. Please, take my advice, do a couple of reviews and find out how quickly you will be charged with deceit just because someone does not agree with your opinion.Take care,Philip Olsonhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/supporter.jpg

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Mostly fair points. However I disagree with the arguement of "If you don't like how it's done, try doing it yourself." Everyone has a job to do, and you are supposed to be better at it than most others. I doubt if I can do reviews that everyone cheers about. Maybe that's why I am not a reviewer?But for me and I believe for most others, not being a genous reviewer doesn't mean I can't be fair reader.Jason

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That's a common view I've never really understood. Do i have to be an opera singer to review opera as well?Eagle

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I think most of the reviews I have read have been very good. This "conspiracy by Avsim" to sell faulty products topic, frankly , is gettng a bit tiring. Hey, if you don't like the reviews, don't read them, it's as simple as that. Just stop whining about it, cause most of us, I believe, like the reviews and look forward to them. We don't look forward to the whining.

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So after the suggestion of "if you don't like it, try doing it yourself" comes the suggestion of "if you don't like it, shut up and walk away". I don't know about others, but if I have to pick the better one I'd pick the first, which at least still bares the concept of "participation". Jason

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Well, if you don't like whining, just stop reading the whining, it's as simple as that. And stop whining about the whining.Sorry, just kidding. I think the reviews are good all in all, but there's no harm in trying to improve them. And when so many of us are confused about categories, stars and content, maybe the good people at Avsim will take a look into it? Now that it's out in the open. Avsim deserves respect, and they make a h*** of a difference in this community (in a very positive way), but there's no need to get religious in my opinion.Eagle

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I really like Bear's reviews. He always finds stuff in the library that I would have missed.

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I appreciate the reviews. I think they're important and valuable. As readers we should understand that the rating system is entirely subjective and shouldn't be thought of as a ranking system. I've read most of the reviews and I see no evidence myself that there was any sort of misleading or deceptive reporting at all.

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I love how thorough Avsim reviews are. I don't think I've ever read one that I can honestly say appears biased, to say nothing about deceitful.I do however agree with the seemingly popular opinion that the star rating system needs work, if for no other reason than that it makes it difficult to decide on buying an older product. Something that might have had 4.5 star innovation 2 years ago might only earn 3 stars today, even though the products are of equal quality.Some kind of breakdown would be better, like have a 1-5 for graphics, a 1-5 for stability, one for systems accuracy, flight model accuracy, sounds, value, and of course innovation, then average them all for an overall score. Maybe not all of those, but I think something like that would be more informative to the readers.Hopefully everyone understands that any review you read, whether it's for an add-on, a movie, car, etc. is going to be as objective as possible but still is subject to the personal taste of the reviewer. All reviews, everywhere, have to be taken with a grain of salt, and you have to figure in your own personal likes and dislikes.

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but its not just the star rating system.Take a look at the actual words. "perfect VC" "no complaints" It is just overthetop marketing by a reviewer. When did avsim become just like a video game magazine? What happened to objective reviews?To not even mention once the fact that the CLS A300 has no overhead panel, no FMC, and basic system functionality, and give it an almost perfect score is just flat out wrong.I enjoy the CLS, but it is no PMDG or LevelD sim, but going by just the review, you would have never noticed

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No the problem IMO is that you have reviewers talking about aircraft they have never flown. Don't get me wrong, anyone can form an opinion and even know about systems etc but if you have not flown a 747, A 320, 737 your "review" does not hold too much weight. I think Avsim should request reviews from real pilots who also are avid flight simmers, not on a developement team and desire to give such time for Avsim and the flight sim community. (This is for airline types)[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]AMD 64 4000+|ASUS K8V DELUXE|SAPPHIRE ATI X800XT PE|MUNCHKIN 3200|80 gig SATA|DELL 1905FP 19" LCD|TRACKir PRO|PFC JEPPESEN MOONEY YOKE|CH PRO PEDALS|

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So you think you're better than the reviewers in that you know exactly where they're all so wrong all the time, but you can't do better than them?If you're so superior to everyone else, show it by doing something constructive for a change instead of slagging those who do try to put in some honest effort for the community.

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You're right. I didn't actually read the review (so my previous statement is still true) :(I just looked at the screen shots and said "meh, not for me", but I only have three payware add on planes anyway.This one product does seem to be rated abnormally high for what it is.....ok I read it. It doesn't seem like the plane is much improved over even a default FS9 airliner. I don't know what I would expect for $23, and don't quite understand the reviewer's enthusiasm over the pedestrian features. This review definitely doesn't seem as objective as others here at avsim. It's not enough to get me to question the validity of avsim reviews in general, but still, I don't know what to say.

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I believe there is a fourm here on Avsim to alow readers to do their own reviews. Sadly, it is seldom posted in. Funny though how many threads (and people)have cropped up recently that say Avsim reviews are biased. Instead of posting likes & dislikes of a particular add on in the general FS forum, why not post them in the Readers Review Forum? If an individual disagrees with an Avsim review, post a rebuttal of your own there. Jim

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Just a constructive note about reviews: Maybe the review system needs to be modified to reflect the fact that products are now more defined by the level of detail and amount of features for the price.I think we may have to start classifying the products a bit here.There's nothing wrong with having reviewers who are not real world pilots review products, but we need to look at these products from a common sense angle now.We need to look at entertainment value, reliability in the sim, graphics, modeling, flying characteristics (note I didn't say actual FDE), value (liveries, load cfgs, setup utils, signage for sceneries, etc.), animations and other moving items, environment, just to name a few.After the basics have been reviewed then the reviewer can get technical if they choose and have the facts to back it up.I think you see where I'm going here. Thanks for listening.

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