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Well for me anyway, FS9 rules, FSX waste of money

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Even with my system I can't get the enjoyment out of FSX as I do with FS9. FSX has some nice features but the low frame rate, hesitations, lagginess that comes and goes, just plain sucks, and doesn't justify all the money wasted to make it work. The add-ons are going to suffer even more by lowering the frame rate further and driving the price up.How many hundreds or thousands of dollars have you spent?

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Hey waldo thats exactly the system I've except I have a single 24" LCD monitor and run at 1900x1200 resolution. What frame rates are you getting. I get about 30 with tweaks everywhere except those big cities. Micro stutters are universal.

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I really wonder what you will be saying (and all other moaners too) within a year or so... ;) Don't you? I'm already looking forward to october 2007, when all these topics will still be online: I'm sure we will have a great laugh about it all and after that start up another great flight in good old FS X. :)

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I don't want a sim only to run it properly in October 2007. I want to use it properly NOW !!!!It's bl@@dy shocking in terms of performance. some airports are worse than a Powerpoint slideshow !!! What have they been doing for the last 3 years ? Oh yeah, I forgot, they were on a "MISSION" to replace some hi res ground textures, made a sad attempt at making square moving blocks called vehicles follow a grey line they call roads ( NAVTEQ mapped roads even ) - and that's only the ground !!The weather seems to have gone from OK in the Demo to rubbish at RTM - like the previous poster said - the abrubt visibility changes are still there - now THAT really pi$$es me off !!!ATC = still the same old tosh.....See the pattern ?? Nothing usefull that really matters for a simulator have changed.What a waste of

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RE: Well for me anyway, FS9 rules, FSX waste of money Waldo, With all due repect if you can't get FSX to run decently with your system I would suggest that: 1) You haven't tried any or all of the tweaks available. Here is a link for most of the tweaks all in one place. http://www.fox-fam.com/wordpress/?page_id=41 2) You have a serious problem with your system. If there is anything I can do to help you get it running I'll be glad to. Craig

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"1) You haven't tried any or all of the tweaks available."He shouldn't have to search countless threads for tweaks; the sim should work out the box. The tweaking requirement is BS when 90% of the target market doesn't visit these forums (or so it's been said)...

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I removed FSX off my newly built rig and I consider mine pretty up there when it comes to PC's.I currently have it OCed @ 3.0Ghz and FSX still is not worth my time.I cannot even bring FS9 to its knees with all sliders maxed and FPS set @ 27 I never go below 25 and that is with 7 layers of AS6.5 Cumulus,PMDG 747 VC,AI SMOOTH,RC4.0,FE,GE,FT,SIMFLYERS,CLOUD9,Flight Scenery and anything else I can throw at it. I love F9 with this new rig and it will be a long time b4 I even consider FSX again.Andy

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Okay lets meet then. Could you please take a note of all phone assisted activations (FS-X and Vista) if any you had to do during that time. Also keep track of all the times you reinstalled and the time you used to install the needed tweaks and patches.I look forward hearing from you and will certainly listen to what tweaks and pacthes are the best. Maybe then I will buy a new Vista PC with a 2nd generation DX10 GPU and install FS-X. You will have spend all that time tweaking and waiting for patches and in the end I will have the beter performance for a smaller price.But please promise me... don't moan about that. You volunteerd for all that work.In the mean time I will be flying (FS9 and X-Plane 8). See ya!

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Your right! He shouldn't have to search countless threads for tweaks so I edited my initial response and provided him with one. The tweaking is not BS because you can take (2) identical machines and FSX will run differently on each. At least I'm trying to help the guy. What are you doing besides complaining. Craig

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"At least I'm trying to help the guy.What are you doing besides complaining."Your right... Here's my advice, wait a year and a half for FSX and stick with FS9 for now (the global warming deserts should be fixed by then)... :-)

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>No wonder everyone here is disgusted with ACES !!Everyone...? You're really sure?It all just depends on what you expect and what makes you happy. I'm perfectly happy with FS X and I have a 3 year old PC (P4 3 HT, Radeon 9800 Pro, 1 Gb Ram). Yes, fps isn't high and so are a lot of settings, but still I'm actually having fun flying! I have to say though that I plan to buy a new computer next year and so I guess that shiny bright future makes me more happy than I'd be without that prospect. ;)

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>>Your right... "You_Are right." Not "your right". :)>Here's my advice, wait a year and a half for FSX>and stick with FS9 for now (the global warming deserts should>be fixed by then)... :-)>If a person did not have GE Pro, or UT, other great addons, etc. with their FS9, would you *still* recommend they stick with FS9 for the time being? I am just curious about your opinion on that.RhettAMD 3700+ (@2.5 ghz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (94.47), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2 GB Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8, WD 250 gig 7200 rpm SATA2, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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With all the add-ons available, 'Yes' (arguing hypotheticals is useless, the facts are the facts)... The whole point is FS9 does have the add-ons and FSX can barley perform default. You have no dusk lighting in FSX, you have no snow in key areas of the world that should have snow, you have deserts in way too many areas that should only have grasslands. You guys got tweaks in so many threads it give me a headache just thinking about it. Aces has a multi-million dollar budget yet there's no accountability being raised towards their direction. You guys aren't making a cent tweaking the heck out of a piece of software the Aces guys have made a pretty good salary produceing. It seems many in this community would rather hound hardware manufactures instead of the ones who created the actual software.The question is do you want to have fun or do you want to rack your brain in these forums??? Most people buy a title to use not search forums to get the software to run at the most basic level. FS9 with the default scenery is far less aggravating than FSX could ever be at this point. Why do you think Falcon4.0 is still popular right along side titles like 'Ace Combat Zero'???

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>Okay lets meet then. Could you please take a note of all>phone assisted activations (FS-X and Vista) if any you had to>do during that time. Also keep track of all the times you>reinstalled and the time you used to install the needed tweaks>and patches.>>I look forward hearing from you and will certainly listen to>what tweaks and pacthes are the best. Maybe then I will buy a>new Vista PC with a 2nd generation DX10 GPU and install FS-X.>You will have spend all that time tweaking and waiting for>patches and in the end I will have the beter performance for a>smaller price.>>But please promise me... don't moan about that. You volunteerd>for all that work.>>In the mean time I will be flying (FS9 and X-Plane 8). See>ya!Fine, I live in Dallas, I'll PM my address so you can come down and I will show you that I installed the first time, no phone activation. I have 1 tweak, the autogen limit posted on Paul's blog, that's it and I am content with the performance and visuals I am getting for where I fly. Oh yeah, specs in my sig, not top of the line but it holds it's own. If and when I get Vista and if I have any problems (had them in the past with other games and programs, why should this be any different) I'll make sure to let you know also.I really feel for those that are dissapointed or are having problems, but stop moaning for the sake of moaning and stop assuming EVERYONE feels the same as you about the product, THEY DON'T! Enjoy FS9 and Xplane.Regards, MichaelKDFW

Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe nForce4 SLI-x16 / AMD

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re:"You guys got tweaks in so many threads it give me a headache" Apparently either you can't or won't read. Here are 99% of the tweaks at ONE site which I posted in my initial response. http://www.fox-fam.com/wordpress/?page_id=41 re:"You guys aren't making a cent tweaking" While you might not believe it there are actually forum members who would rather do something constructive with their time like trying the tweaks themselves (God forbid if you had to actually try something on your own machine; that might resemble work) and then trying to help other forum members. Apparently you are used to instant gratification. Craig

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So far just the $70.00. I will need another 1GB of ram but I would need that sooner or later anyway. Also may go back to a LCD monitor now that the are getting better then last years models.

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Yeah but you are missing his point mate !WHY should we have to tweak the #### thing in the first place. Why did they not tweak these things before they pressed the DVD's if they knew it would improve the performance ????We are always left to pick up the pieces and try to TWEAK our way through their botched code.Shambles i tell you, it's a shambles !!!BTW - Even though i'm very unhappy with the performance on my Core2Duo system ( 2GB ram and 2 x SATA HDD's ) I'm still like a fool trying to at least fly it....just so i don't have to throw it in the bin ( coz it was a gift from a good friend who know's i love flying )I have'nt even activated it yet, i keep running in 30 minute slots to try and TWEAK the !

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"WHY should we have to tweak the #### thing in the first place. Why did they not tweak these things before they pressed the DVD's if they knew it would improve the performance ????"because mostly so-called "tweaks" are a bluff....what they are in reality, is a tradeoff of quality for performance, or vica versa....what they do allow is some sort of flexibility to decide what you are willing to sacrifice and to which extent.at any rate, those twake won't transform the sim nor will they create something (quality or performance) out of nothing.....

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tweaks don't work, tweaks are a bluff, tweaks R us.Guys when no one can reason with you to help you. Then you might as well go back to something else.If you call Aces sharing with us about cpu useage or building and tree cell count tradeoffs for bad code then what else can we do for you.Most people on this forum just want to help you to get the most from your new Sim, game whatever you want to call FSX.

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>Okay lets meet then. Could you please take a note of all>phone assisted activations (FS-X and Vista) if any you had to>do during that time. Also keep track of all the times you>reinstalled and the time you used to install the needed tweaks>and patches.>>I look forward hearing from you and will certainly listen to>what tweaks and pacthes are the best. Maybe then I will buy a>new Vista PC with a 2nd generation DX10 GPU and install FS-X.>You will have spend all that time tweaking and waiting for>patches and in the end I will have the beter performance for a>smaller price.>>But please promise me... don't moan about that. You volunteerd>for all that work.>>In the mean time I will be flying (FS9 and X-Plane 8). See>ya!Speaking of X-Plane. I use to use it. Version 6 I think.I have noticed that it has come a long way. Fantastic scenery but the virtual cockpits still have a ways to go.X-Plane written in OpenGL by ONE guy I find amazing.And wow the frame rate is extremely high; ain't no lag in that puppy!I believe he now has another person to work on some aircraft.

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Ok, imagine I am the FSX developer and I used my current computer to develop the product. I know that when it is sold it will run like molasses on everyone's computer.My question is, should it be released?One of my concerns is the add-ons that use up more frame rate.

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>Hey waldo thats exactly the system I've except I have a>single 24" LCD monitor and run at 1900x1200 resolution. What>frame rates are you getting. I get about 30 with tweaks>everywhere except those big cities. Micro stutters are>universal.I was never a fan of Foxconn motherboards, but this new nVidia based C51XEM2AA is just awesome. My system has been rock solid ever since I put it together and I have had no problems at all.I put this system together because I read about the build by CPU magazine.

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> re:"You guys got tweaks in so many threads it give me a>headache">> Apparently either you can't or won't read. Here are 99% of>the > tweaks at ONE site which I posted in my initial response.> > http://www.fox-fam.com/wordpress/?page_id=41>> re:"You guys aren't making a cent tweaking">> While you might not believe it there are actually forum>members who> would rather do something constructive with their time like>trying> the tweaks themselves (God forbid if you had to actually try>something> on your own machine; that might resemble work) and then>trying to > help other forum members.>> Apparently you are used to instant gratification. >> CraigYes I have used a few of those tweaks. Didn't notice any change.When I used the 'Texture Replacements' procedure I had nothing but serious stuttering. I had to re-install FSX. lolThese tweak are, to me anyway, not necessarily tweaks. What I mean is, they are just ways to hack FSX into working; and that shouldn't be necessary.

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>In the mean time I will be flying (FS9 and X-Plane 8). See>ya!Been rotating through FS9, X-Plane V8 with global scenery, and FSX for days now. Still drawn to FSX though. Just prefer the textures, and improvement in the simulated air mass. Have not done any tweaking with FSX either.L.Adamson

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