Everyone else may know this, but I was interested to discover written documentation for the M20R inside the folder

C:\Users\MYNAME\AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.FlightSimulator_8wekyb3d8bbwe\LocalCache\Packages\Official\OneStore\carenado-aircraft-m20r-ovation\SimObjects\Airplanes\Carenado_M20R_Ovation\Documentation

on my MSFS install disk. This includes checklists, both normal and emergency, as well as speed and power reference data.

Since much of the information appears to have been taken from the POH, I thought it would be useful to locate that document on the web, as well as whatever guides might be available for the operation of the cockpit avionics. I have posted pdf files of the manuals at the following G-Drive link:

https://bit.ly/3cYEnLw

I found the avionics data to be especially useful, and I can now use the autopilot successfully for both lateral and vertical navigation. Also, it's not clear whether the engine monitoring gauge is doing anything interesting, although at least now I know what those flashing bars mean.

Not included are corresponding guides for the Garmin unit, since the current implementation seems to depend on the default gauge provided by Asabo. The functionality of that instrument seems somewhat rudimentary at this stage. Currently I only use it for the map and to tune the nav and comm radios.

Hope someone finds this useful.

You will want to keep in mind the EDM engine gauge is basically a place holder.  Nothing works and nothing is going to work until someone like A2A Simulations comes along and builds a working engine in the sim.

You can find some thoughts about the Mooney and this Carenado version in this draft review.  The review will not be completed so take it as a quick look at what could have been. There is a working link in the second post.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FazltkVlPERwA7DyAAyLOcBwRZzTvDAt/view?usp=sharing 

Edited October 5, 20205 yr by raymar

Here's the Extra operating manual.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MAT9e6CPbnFPV6XxTCUEG84Mzt_NchzQ/view?usp=sharing

1 hour ago, raymar said:

You will want to keep in mind the EDM engine gauge is basically a place holder.  Nothing works and nothing is going to work until someone like A2A Simulations comes along and builds a working engine in the sim.

You can find some thoughts about the Mooney and this Carenado version in this draft review.  The review will not be completed so take it as a quick look at what could have been. There is a working link in the second post.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FazltkVlPERwA7DyAAyLOcBwRZzTvDAt/view?usp=sharing 

I'm curious how the rear seat leg room compares to a Bonanza.    I watched a video of a cut-a-way Bonanza which was made by Beechcraft (for a court case, if memory serves),  it shows how the beefy wing spar runs straight through under the rear seats.   /I also thought it was cool to see the back side of the instrument panel,  because I could see the hidden parts of the yoke mechanism.

 

Edited October 5, 20205 yr by Waldo Pepper

2 minutes ago, Waldo Pepper said:

I'm curious how the rear seat leg room compares to a Bonanza.    I watched a video of a cut-a-way Bonanza which was made by Beechcraft (for a court case, if memory serves),  it shows how the beefy wing spar runs straight through under the rear seats.   /I also thought it was cool to see the back side of the instrument panel,  because I could see the hidden parts of the yoke mechanism.

 

I flown 3 types of Mooney IRL (E,C, J) and I can tell you at the least comfortable airplane to seat in. In contrast, Beechcraft  is way more comfortable (I flew Sierra, Debonair and Bonanza)

You need an A36 Bonanza to compare to the M20R back seat leg room.  The Mooney would be more like a stretched full size Lexus rear seat leg room compared to a one of the smaller Lexus rear seat legroom.  No real comparison, the Mooney is very roomy.

Now the backseat legroom in the older Mooneys (pre J model) was awful, as was the backseat legroom in that V tail Bonanza. Only kids and very small framed people were comfortable in the back seats in either one.

This Mooney was built on a stretched fuselage that was designed for the Porsche engine that never panned out.  Otherwise, I doubt Mooney would ever have built one as roomy as this one. (and all the newer ones).

19 minutes ago, raymar said:

You need an A36 Bonanza to compare to the M20R back seat leg room.  The Mooney would be more like a stretched full size Lexus rear seat leg room compared to a one of the smaller Lexus rear seat legroom.  No real comparison, the Mooney is very roomy.

Now the backseat legroom in the older Mooneys (pre J model) was awful, as was the backseat legroom in that V tail Bonanza. Only kids and very small framed people were comfortable in the back seats in either one.

This Mooney was built on a stretched fuselage that was designed for the Porsche engine that never panned out.  Otherwise, I doubt Mooney would ever have built one as roomy as this one. (and all the newer ones).

Have you flown R model?

No, I haven't. The Carenado model was built in 1999.  I was flying a Citation Cj2 then.

2 minutes ago, raymar said:

No, I haven't. The Carenado model was built in 1999.  I was flying a Citation Cj2 then.

I've seen one in my airport and actually talked to the owner last time. If I catch him next time I will ask me to try to seat there! As for me personally J model ( my understanding you have flown as well) it was pretty awkward sitting on the floor with a yoke at my chest. But I had a little choice since Arrow I was training in crashed and Mooney was the only choice to finish my CFI ! But hey J was still better than ne with johnson bar. I know some people love it, but for me it  major pain in a$$ to retract  gear!

Yes, it seating position for the front seats in practically all the Mooneys is very different. Butt on the ground is what is normally used to explain it.  I had a 1967 Corvette and I thought the Mooney seat was just about the same distance from the floor.  It has always been strange and I guess it goes back to trying to get an inch more headroom.  Even the J model makeover did not do much to change it.

I was ok with the Johnson Bar mainly because in the early days we didn't want any unavoidable gear up landings and that was about as simple and positive a system as one could ask for. When the Gear (little wheel) showed up high up on the panel, I thought that was much better than down low at your knees where you might forget to look when on final.

I always taught at least the basic GUMP check both on downwind and on short final.

7 minutes ago, raymar said:

 

I always taught at least the basic GUMP check both on downwind and on short final.

Yes! Early in my private days I've been taught BCGUMPLS. It's been working great for the past 20 years! LOL 

Just finished reading your review,  extremely informative and I enjoyed it!

On 10/5/2020 at 1:11 PM, jrw4 said:

Everyone else may know this, but I was interested to discover written documentation for the M20R inside the folder

C:\Users\MYNAME\AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.FlightSimulator_8wekyb3d8bbwe\LocalCache\Packages\Official\OneStore\carenado-aircraft-m20r-ovation\SimObjects\Airplanes\Carenado_M20R_Ovation\Documentation

on my MSFS install disk. This includes checklists, both normal and emergency, as well as speed and power reference data.

Since much of the information appears to have been taken from the POH, I thought it would be useful to locate that document on the web, as well as whatever guides might be available for the operation of the cockpit avionics. I have posted pdf files of the manuals at the following G-Drive link:

https://bit.ly/3cYEnLw

I found the avionics data to be especially useful, and I can now use the autopilot successfully for both lateral and vertical navigation. Also, it's not clear whether the engine monitoring gauge is doing anything interesting, although at least now I know what those flashing bars mean.

Not included are corresponding guides for the Garmin unit, since the current implementation seems to depend on the default gauge provided by Asabo. The functionality of that instrument seems somewhat rudimentary at this stage. Currently I only use it for the map and to tune the nav and comm radios.

Hope someone finds this useful.

Thank you for the POH. It's a newer version than what I had.

If you'd like, there's also an extensive checklist at http://www.rebay.at/fliegen/manuals/check_oe-kgg.pdf

On 10/5/2020 at 2:48 PM, sd_flyer said:

I flown 3 types of Mooney IRL (E,C, J) and I can tell you at the least comfortable airplane to seat in. In contrast, Beechcraft  is way more comfortable (I flew Sierra, Debonair and Bonanza)

I have not been in the rear in a Bonanza that I can recall, but I have been in the back of an early Baron (military T42/B55) which I believe shared the same fuselage.  I have twice been in the back seats of an M20.  Significant difference.  The back of the M20 is scarcely better than the back of a mid-to-late 60s Ford Mustang.  Better?  Yes.  But scarcely.   I also rode in the back of a military C310 "Blue Canoe" on several occasions and it was better than both.

Great to find, Thanks.