38 minutes ago, mtr75 said:

From the guy who two sentences before said:

Too funny. 😄

Not sure what your point is? I mention that I've been involved in AP certification to demonstrate my knowledge - you say you're a pilot so I'm asking what your relevant experience is? What types?

28 minutes ago, 2reds2whites said:

Not sure what your point is? I mention that I've been involved in AP certification to demonstrate my knowledge - you say you're a pilot so I'm asking what your relevant experience is? What types?

Yeah, yeah, nice try. You call me out for a argumentum ad verecundiam fallacy two seconds after you do it yourself, then try to act all noble and fair. Fail. 

Edited October 22, 20205 yr by mtr75

51 minutes ago, mtr75 said:

Yeah, yeah, nice try. You call me out for a argumentum ad verecundiam fallacy two seconds after you do it yourself, then try to act all noble and fair. Fail. 

So single prop piston then.

 

1 hour ago, 2reds2whites said:

So single prop piston then.

 

Ad hominem. Your second one this thread. How many more logical fallacies can you share with the class?

Edited October 22, 20205 yr by mtr75

6 hours ago, ThomseN_inc said:

In my almost 25 years of flying GA planes in RL i have barely ever encountered an AP behaving like the ones in MSFS.

And your point? Nobody is claiming here or anywhere else that MSFS autopilots are perfect. Even Asobo and Microsoft themselves have acknowledged the issue and are working on it. It's not a secret, and these devs have been very transparent with the community from the very beginning. Flight sims of the bygone era such as XPlane 11 also have their fare share of AP related issues. I can cite several examples and instances from XP11 users and its developers even. Real life APs could also have some issues (https://www.duncanaviation.aero/intelligence/2010/March/basic-autopilot-system-troubleshooting and https://nunatsiaq.com/stories/article/autopilot-issues-caused-aug-24-air-inuit-flight-to-pitch-reports/ and "MD-80 In-Flight Bobbing?" https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7799 for example). Nobody is denying it. 

Also, you having whatever number of years of experience flying whatever aircraft makes you neither infallible nor an authority. Airline pilots with thousands of hours under their belt have made basic mistakes that cost the lives of theirs and hundreds of passengers. Consultant surgeons with decades of experience and education have made mistakes and don't claim to be infallible and expert in everything. 

The fact of the matter - no matter how unpleasant it is for many people to come to terms with and swallow - is that both real world autopilots and flight sim autopilots do and will have issues. If that was not the case then pilots wouldn't be needed anymore in the cockpit.

Edited October 22, 20205 yr by EvidencePlz

On 10/21/2020 at 12:28 PM, ThomseN_inc said:

Of course VS will be stable. AP just has to keep the VS. FLC aims to compensate gusts/wind/load factors etc. changes in order to keep the selected speed. Since especially windchanges can be very abrupt and agressive in MSFS it leads to FLC going haywire. 

I keep coming back to this and wondering why “of course” the AP will work as expected in one mode and (according to you) there is a problem with another mode, even though both are exhibiting known characteristics of the respective modes. The other related question is why some people are having issues and some are not. They’re using the same program. The variable is the operator. 

44 minutes ago, EvidencePlz said:

And your point? Nobody is claiming here or anywhere else that MSFS autopilots are perfect. Even Asobo and Microsoft themselves have acknowledged the issue and are working on it. It's not a secret, and these devs have been very transparent with the community from the very beginning. Flight sims of the bygone era such as XPlane 11 also have their fare share of AP related issues. I can cite several examples and instances from XP11 users and its developers even. Real life APs could also have some issues (https://www.duncanaviation.aero/intelligence/2010/March/basic-autopilot-system-troubleshooting and https://nunatsiaq.com/stories/article/autopilot-issues-caused-aug-24-air-inuit-flight-to-pitch-reports/ and "MD-80 In-Flight Bobbing?" https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7799 for example). Nobody is denying it. 

Also, you having whatever number of years of experience flying whatever aircraft makes you neither infallible nor an authority. Airline pilots with thousands of hours under their belt have made basic mistakes that cost the lives of theirs and hundreds of passengers. Consultant surgeons with decades of experience and education have made mistakes and don't claim to be infallible and expert in everything. 

The fact of the matter - no matter how unpleasant it is for many people to come to terms with and swallow - is that both real world autopilots and flight sim autopilots do and will have issues. If that was not the case then pilots wouldn't be needed anymore in the cockpit.

My point is that i am having the same issues with the AP in MSFS as quite a number of other people have too. I am suspecting that the issue lies within the sim because i didn't have any troubles before installing the (i believe) second update. Believing the people stating i could be the problem would mean i have lost my abilities to operate the AP with installing a patch and that, for me, would be nonsense.

I'm not and have never been claiming to be Mr Perfect but i know that i didn't have those AP issues in the past. So there has to be something gone wrong along the way.

And additional to that the fact that for example the AP of the DA62 and DA40 work perfectly shows that it is possible to have it on point.

I have no idea why (grown up) people have to argue about such a thing like little girls.

1 hour ago, mtr75 said:

I keep coming back to this and wondering why “of course” the AP will work as expected in one mode and (according to you) there is a problem with another mode, even though both are exhibiting known characteristics of the respective modes. The other related question is why some people are having issues and some are not. They’re using the same program. The variable is the operator. 

You have differnt pc , i tyed to help a friend over skype

what we did start tbm at ESSA for a short ifr to efma 

i have him on shared monitor on my second pc i fly on my sim pc , set up the flightplan exatly.

i have no issiues on my pc , he get in trouble , i monitored all his inputs that they vere the same as mine

we have differnt computers , one tbm ap that worked one not 

 

Edited October 22, 20205 yr by westman