Iris simulation have released a short video previewing  an early version of their "military cadet training" tutorials.  They have stated this is a pre-release WIP preview and not the final product.

(Note this is NOT the new Grob 115E as I mistakenly believed, but they have asked for volunteers with Grob 115E real world experience to flight test)

 

 

 

Edited January 1, 20215 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

Is this a joke? It is the DA40NG... with a paint job, and a child flying it? uhhh

They haven’t fix J160/170 flight model, but up they jump to the next one . I’ll pass on . More of the same.

44 minutes ago, jpe828 said:

Is this a joke? It is the DA40NG... with a paint job, and a child flying it? uhhh

 

Yes it is indeed flown by 16 year old  Royal Air Force Air Cadets and 17 year old trainee pilots.  So children compared to all us 70 year old flight sim veterans  but at some point they will be in RAF Tornadoes and RAAF F18s 😄

Iris have always specialised in simulations of military trainers and a lot of their market apparently is real world air cadet training organisations. People wanting to do button-press/procedure simulation occasionally ask them to do airliners and get politely ignored.

It may have limited appeal to "experienced flight simmers" but it is a real aircraft ...

https://www.raf.mod.uk/aircraft/tutor-t1/

 

 

 

Edited January 1, 20215 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

Haha, when I was 16 I had hit puberty but hey fair enough... At the end of the day the cockpit and sounds are identical to the DA40. Which means why would we buy it?Seriously, it looks like they swiped the default DA40. It is identical. 

Edited January 1, 20215 yr by jpe828

21 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

They haven’t fix J160/170 flight model, but up they jump to the next one . I’ll pass on . More of the same.

That is kind of like saying GM should stop release of all new models till they fix the airbag issue on one of the 2020 SUVs. They did say further FM changes on the J160/J170 are awaiting the next iteration of the SDK. 

TBH I am happy enough with the Jabiru, I just load it up to about 75% to make it less skitty and generally take off without flaps and it fine for what I use it for, however seriously if it is not fit for purpose for your use case just hit them up for a refund. 

As for this Grob - it is a German made military trainer that is not used in the US and has no real advantages for most people over one of the similar civilian aircraft other than maybe the +6G/-3G aerobatic capability.  

It has a very limited target market and that is mainly younger kids in air cadets or undertaking basic training in an airforce that uses it (hence the training challenges with the young cadet and the officer)

32 minutes ago, jpe828 said:

Haha, when I was 16 I had hit puberty but hey fair enough... At the end of the day the cockpit and sounds are identical to the DA40. Which means why would we buy it?Seriously, it looks like they swiped the default DA40. It is identical. 

 

The video is meant to demonstrate the military cadet training, It may actually be the DA40 in the video and I misread it. I jumped to the conclusion the video was both without really checking.

Either way it is probably of limited or ZERO  interest to someone just doing civilian flight sims (or wanting to blow stuff up in a 109 for that matter).

It is aimed at a different market.

It is actually an import of the Iris FSX/P3D version of the same aircraft which seemed quite well received, this was one review of the P3D version:

 

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robert b. (verified owner) – April 18, 2020

we run this grob tutor on our aircadet simulator at 2385 ATC sqn UK
it performs well. across our 3 monitor setup
some switches dont work yet with saitek panels, but were using SPADnext to try and sort it.
(reference a previous reviewer. there is no ADF, because the real grob tutor does not have an ADF fitted.)
the grob is a useful training aid for the cadets before their flight in a real grob.
there is a picture of our sim with the grob available to see on the IRIS facebook page.
we are very pleased with it.

 

Edited January 1, 20215 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

33 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

Yes it is indeed flown by 16 year old  Royal Air Force Air Cadets and 17 year old trainee pilots

Sorry Glenn, I disagree.

It may well be flown by a 16 year old but it certainly is not a Cadet from the Royal Air Force. It is being flown out of Point Cook in Victoria Australia. which is, or, at least, was No1FTS (Flight Training School) It has to therefore be the Royal Australian Air Force.

As a matter of interest, 1FTS flew basic trainers to train pilots up to I believe 30 hours. After graduation, they moved to RAAF base Pearce (No 2FTS) for more advanced training which then led to conversion to specific aircraft. ie Fighters, transport or VIP aircraft etc. I have no idea how many hours they accumulated there but from memory it was for a period of 2 years or so.  There was also, due to fairly high required standards, a significantly high failure rate.  I know of one Cadet Pilot who was failed the day before graduation for some reason.  They don't muck around there mate but they do produce some excellent pilots in the long term.

In saying the above, I am quite prepared to to acknowledge that the omission of "Australian" may have been a typo, and this is not meant to be a criticism,

Regards

Tony

OK ... seems like i was mistaken the video is only demonstrating the training and is NOT the Grob 115 E .

My bad, I should have looked closer before posting, I assumed it was demonstrating both products.

Edited January 1, 20215 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

9 minutes ago, himmelhorse said:

Sorry Glenn, I disagree.

It may well be flown by a 16 year old but it certainly is not a Cadet from the Royal Air Force. It is being flown out of Point Cook in Victoria Australia. which is, or, at least, was No1FTS (Flight Training School) It has to therefore be the Royal Australian Air Force.

As a matter of interest, 1FTS flew basic trainers to train pilots up to I believe 30 hours. After graduation, they moved to RAAF base Pearce (No 2FTS) for more advanced training which then led to conversion to specific aircraft. ie Fighters, transport or VIP aircraft etc. I have no idea how many hours they accumulated there but from memory it was for a period of 2 years or so.  There was also, due to fairly high required standards, a significantly high failure rate.  I know of one Cadet Pilot who was failed the day before graduation for some reason.  They don't muck around there mate but they do produce some excellent pilots in the long term.

In saying the above, I am quite prepared to to acknowledge that the omission of "Australian" may have been a typo, and this is not meant to be a criticism,

Regards

Tony

Yeah it is used by both RAF and RAAF but  the training is indeed Point Cook.

It is also not their new Grob 115E in the video ... so my bad in both cases.

I was a bit too quick posting the link without checking what it actually was.

Edited January 1, 20215 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

Glenn,

Now I am confused.

 The subsequent screenshot is most definitely an English aircraft complete with RAF roundel and paint scheme.  The video, regardless of the cockpit, and going by the written commentary, is most definitely RAAF though. Point Cook is about 10-12 km from RAAF Base Laverton where I underwent my Telegraphist training in 1968 and its main function was a Radio school and trained telephonists Communications Operators, Telegraphists and Radio technicians.  As with all training bases, it was never a fun place to be, and very heavy on disicpline,

Regards

Tony

 

I hope IRIS decide to remake their C27J Spartan for the new sim.  I always had fun flying that and I bought the Jabiru mainly to show support for them.

I personally don't think EVERY aircraft should be a systems trainer. you gotta just have fun sometimes. Although Id love one beautiful cargo plane with two levels of seriousness.

Man if I were a commercial company I'd be really nervous about calling anything using MSFS "training" related to real world flight.....

There's no adverse yaw modeled, so basic stick and rudder stuff is not correct.

The Garmins have so many holes in the implementations that they aren't really useful as real world trainers for that.

So I guess steam gauge stuff without worrying about the GPS might be ok, but again, no adverse yaw.......

11 hours ago, himmelhorse said:

The subsequent screenshot is most definitely an English aircraft complete with RAF roundel and paint scheme.

That's a photo not a screenshot.

2 hours ago, sightseer said:

I hope IRIS decide to remake their C27J Spartan for the new sim.  I always had fun flying that and I bought the Jabiru mainly to show support for them.

I personally don't think EVERY aircraft should be a systems trainer. you gotta just have fun sometimes. Although Id love one beautiful cargo plane with two levels of seriousness.

Study Level c130 or c17 please!