I am about to dump P3Dv5 and g back to P3Dv4 or P3dV3 unless there is some way of eliminating or at least reducing the thick haze I get in P3Dv5. 

I don't want to add a third party weather program since I only fly in fair weather; 2/8 cirrus at 39,000ft to give the sky some texture.  But even cirrus doesn't show up in my P3Dv5.

Any solutions?  I am not very tech literate so I need step by step solutions if there are any.

Noel

Lack of PTA in V5 is one of the main reasons I'm still with V4.5HF3. PTA can do literally everything with sky/cloud/lighting environment. 

30 minutes ago, G-YMML1 said:

Lack of PTA in V5 is one of the main reasons I'm still with V4.5HF3. PTA can do literally everything with sky/cloud/lighting environment. 

No necessarily. Why we user can not move a slider for more or less haze....shouldn't be so hard I think. 

Or? 

I too find the haze a bit to aggressive. 

Please confirm you are using V5.1 HF1. Also, are you using EA/trueSKY? The haze (which really is supposed to be Rayleigh scattering) is much more "accurate" now than it used to be at release.

14 minutes ago, thepilot said:

Please confirm you are using V5.1 HF1. Also, are you using EA/trueSKY? The haze (which really is supposed to be Rayleigh scattering) is much more "accurate" now than it used to be at release.

If you mean me?

I am on 5.1 HF1. The haze is not controllable and not related to air humidity. The latter is what I would like to see.....that would give us, or the weather engine, controllability and a more variety of how strong the haze has to be. 

That would be great. 

How do others think about this?

 

 

 

It was actually meant for OP, but also to whom it may concern. 😅

In my estimation what some people call haze is simply the aerial perspective which, admittedly, was little extreme when P3D V5 released. I guess many were are not used to this effect given its abscence from earlier flightsims where you could a see the runway contours clear and sharp from 20 miles out...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_perspective

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayleigh_scattering

Edited March 12, 20215 yr by thepilot

You guys are over my head.  What is HF1? What is PTA?  As I said I am not very tech literate.  I am not using EA/truSky.  I assume that is a third party addon.

I am not an immersion freak.  I got plenty of that when I was a real world recreational pilot.  I just want to fly in clear weather with a bit of cirrus in the sky and the 100 mile visibilities that we have where I where I live.

Almost every clear day I can see Capitan Peak 60 miles away and the crest of the Sacramento Mountains (Sierra Blanca is over 12,000 ft) 100 miles away.  I realize most people live in the lower elevations with humid air.  But here we have 100 mile+ visibilities almost every day.

The picture below is an example of the visibilities I want.  I took it while leading a tour group at the wildlife refuge.  That mountain behind the guy with the white jacket and red sleeves is Capitan Peak and about 70 miles from where I am standing.

We don't get the kind of haze here that you lowlanders get and what I want to get rid of in P3Dv5.  A typical summer day in southeast New Mexico.

Noel

Edited March 12, 20215 yr by birdguy

HF1 is Hotfix 1, and P3D V5.1 HF1 is the latest/current version P3D. Have you installed that? This is what New Mexico looks like – no haze:

 

 

Edited March 12, 20215 yr by thepilot

I am sorry. That was not my intention. 

EA stands for Enhanced Atmosphics. It is a new atmospheric engine within P3D. EA is also called TrueSky or SIMUL Truesky. SIMUL TrueSky is the developer and supplier of EA (aka TrueSky). P3D licensed SIMUL TrueSky and uses it in their Simulation. That came with the P3D Version 5.0 and is still part of P3D now in 5.1 with the first Hotfix 1. That's why it's called P3D v5.1 HF1. 

This is also the latest and therefore most recent version of P3D. 

You can turn this EA off or on withing the simulator settings. If it is turned off, the older atmospheric rendering in the sim is used. This is developed by P3D. 

At the moment you can control visibility only per a single layer with a base set in feet and a top set in feet too. This can be found at the weather settings page under the Tab Visibility (if I recall correctly). There you find a slider for changing the miles and left of this the settings for base and top im feet. At the moment this is only one single layer. Multiple layers are not possible. 

The raleigh scattering can not be changed. If this changes in some future release of P3D (maybe version 5.2?) Is not known. P3D does never commit on changes or communicate any status or plans of their feature development. 

So summarized: at the moment the raleigh scattering can not be changed. 

PTA was a separate addon which had several possibilities to change lots of parameters which influences the visuals of the sim. But PTA does not get any updates anymore and it is not supporting P3D v5.X and upwards. 

Don't hesitate to ask any questions. I hope my answers did help you. 

Marcus

Edited March 12, 20215 yr by mpo910

2 hours ago, birdguy said:

I am about to dump P3Dv5 and g back to P3Dv4 or P3dV3 unless there is some way of eliminating or at least reducing the thick haze I get in P3Dv5. 

As explained above, you can turn off Enhanced Atmospherics in the P3D V5 settings, and it will look like V4.

Personally, I quite like the effect.. but you can fly with it on or off..

Edited March 12, 20215 yr by Bert Pieke

I’d like to turn down the Rayleigh scattering in EA, at least for some flights. Nobody has worked out how to change/hack this parameter?

31 minutes ago, thepilot said:

Have you installed that? This is what New Mexico looks like – no haze:

That's what we see about 300 days a year.  That's what I want to fly in.

Noel

 

2 minutes ago, birdguy said:

That's what we see about 300 days a year.  That's what I want to fly in.

Noel

 

Noel, as noted if you have EA off, there’s not much Rayleigh scattering at all. And I think you mean Rayleigh scattering, not haze, which are not quite the same thing. Turn EA off, turn any external weather engine off and set the sim to clear skies/unlimited visibility. That should solve your issue.

21 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

I’d like to turn down the Rayleigh scattering in EA, at least for some flights. Nobody has worked out how to change/hack this parameter?

I assume this is part of the secured TrueSky shaders. 

We are not able to change these....

Problem solved.  I turned off enhanced atmospherics and reduced the cloud cover to 1/8 cirrus at 38,500ft to 40,200ft and I can see both Capitan Peak and the very top of the crest of the Sacramento Mountains.  My visibility is 100mi.  Turning off enhanced atmospherics also restored the cirrus layer.

Thanks guys.

Noel