27 minutes ago, devgrp said:

As far as clouds go, xenviro is the only mod that comes close and that cuts your performance in half. I had all the mods, xenviro, skymaxx, as p, xprealistic, realityxp gtn, plus most of the orbx true earth series and fork boy ortho. I

The fork boy ortho was low quality, I had some of that, but I never used it. I have most of that stuff too, Xenviro was ok but I wouldn't say it's the best, if we are talking purely graphics for clouds, there is freeware that passes it up in many ways, but the performance hit still there. The performance issue isn't the game engine, it's the amateur methods people are using to build the clouds, needs to be done by the game developers instead.

MSFS is great if the area you are flying in just happens to look right, but many areas I fly in don't. One of my favorite areas to fly in Canada is really messed up in MSFS, as well as certain parts of Montana are pretty bad. Xplane navigation stuff is generally much better, it just depends what you want to do.

MSFS near GNP

Edited May 16, 20215 yr by Alpine Scenery

3 hours ago, DJJose said:

BTW, the FDs in MSFS are an absolute joke. The term "flying on rails" comes to mind.

That old argument died with FSX.  There is no way FS2020 feels like flying on rails.  Now your just making stuff up... 

Facts are period, until/unless Leminar figures out how to render global scenery via the cloud or whatever they are dead by comparison.  That being said I want competition.  If they could as least do what Microsoft have done since FS98 and render the whole world in whatever way they figure with a decent representation they'd have a chance.  If they continue to refuse this type of development XPlane is done or relegated to a fringe offering like FlightGear.

Edited May 16, 20215 yr by Dillon

22 minutes ago, Dillon said:

That old argument died with FSX.  There is no way FS2020 feels like flying on rails.  Now your just making stuff up... 

Facts are period, until/unless Leminar figures out how to render global scenery via the cloud or whatever they are dead by comparison.  That being said I want competition.  If they could as least do what Microsoft have done since FS98 and render the whole world in whatever way they figure with a decent representation they'd have a chance.  If they continue to refuse this type of development XPlane is done or relegated to a fringe offering like FlightGear.

As much as I like MSFS, X plane is never done. History shows us that. 

There are giant areas in MSFS with very poor aerial imagery, and a lot of it is in the entire Central-Western US.
They don't appear to have any plans to fix that, among other issues.

Xplane is not going to die based on the current state of MSFS, the avionics and landings are all better in Xplane, regardless of default visuals.
Almost 40% of the US also looks better in Xplane if you have the correct Ortho, whereas 60% looks better in MSFS, but it's only because of the autogen and thick trees covering certain things in MSFS.

 

Edited May 16, 20215 yr by Alpine Scenery

3 hours ago, cobalt said:

XP will certainly live on ---  in museums. As for "not transferring your learning to anyone who doesn't want to learn", no comment necessary. .

How much are you willing to wager?

It's amazing the courage of some AVSIM member's convictions. I love this community.

Since this is a thread about a member having to have their computer fixed because MSFS did not work correctly and having to go back to P3D, my initial suggestion still stands. Have a backup plan (sim) or deal with the consequences.

55 minutes ago, DJJose said:

It's amazing the courage of some AVSIM member's convictions. I love this community.

Since this is a thread about a member having to have their computer fixed because MSFS did not work correctly and having to go back to P3D, my initial suggestion still stands. Have a backup plan (sim) or deal with the consequences.

I actually agree with this.  There's too much control by Microsoft of the latest incarnation of FS.  This is why I hope our other options rise to the occasion.  Microsoft could pull the plug at any time and it would be much worse than we saw in the past. Before we had a static copy of FS on CD's and on our hard drives.  Not matter what MS did we still had what we bought.  With this Cloud era Microsoft could decide FS would be better suited as an arcade game, could fire the creative forces that made the direction it's going now possible, and institute non enthusiast.  That leadership would dismantle, charge for features, and dumb down the sim as a whole.  We would need options like XPlane and P3d to back fill the void.  Microsoft has done this in the past no matter how dedicated the current development team is (Aces) and could do it again in the future.  Cloud has never been a positive if you read between the lines.  It gives companies too much control and they have shown with that kind of power they kill all that was good initially.

11 hours ago, Dillon said:

NI Cloud has never been a positive if you read between the lines.  It gives companies too much control and they have shown with that kind of power they kill all that was good initially.

I do not like either the idea of buying a product and having the seller continuously changing, in my computer, what what was sold to me, without my consent and not always for the better. And to be left stranded without a sim when they decide to pull the plug. Wishing the demise of P3D or XP is irresponsible.

Cloud gaming is, in an other hand, in its infancy. Maybe the MFS example will help it to grow more mature.It needs a self-imposed ethical framework on the seller's side which protects the user against the downgrading of the product. It also needs a strong and competent project management. MFS would certainly benefit of a bit of both.

 

Edited May 17, 20215 yr by Dominique_K

2 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

Wishing the demise of P3D or XP is irresponsible.

I don't wish for the demise of P3D or X-Plane.  In fact, I want both simulators to up their game and match what MSFS is doing.   The more competition, the better.

Sadly, P3D and X-Plane barely moved the ball forward for flight simulation in the last 10 years. MSFS has moved the ball forward and saved us at least 10 years worth of time.

At the rate P3D and X-Plane were improving, it would be 2035 before they matched what MSFS has today.  MSFS has saved us at least over a decade's worth of time in advancing flight simulation.  Some of us may die over the next decade.  I am glad to be alive and experience MSFS while I'm still alive.

I don't have 10 or 15 years to wait for P3D and X-Plane to get to where MSFS is today.  And if P3D and X-Plane can't catch up to the competition, then they risk becoming obsolete.