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Ah man, ya beat me to it! I read this four hours ago but just got around to the AVSIM forums to read/post... ;)Great comparison screenshot posted there!

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Sorry too much - but I fail to see why any of this is GOOD NEWS To me it is just a great guy doing what he is being PAID heaps of money for - to try and pacify the masses with Male Bovine Excrement to cover the fact that Redmond has made their most gigantic STUFFUP's yet in order to get Vista onto as many machines as they can Why does anyone think that FSX came out BEFORE Xmas? - Along with all the associated Hype about how MUCH better it would "run" under Vista - Phil Taylor has admitted that, that is NOT the case Then of course there are the usual "excuses" why DX10 cannot run under anything other than Vista - IMHO - that is just a bigger dose of BS - think about it - they have not been able to get the original Longhorn working at all to what was proposed and this Vista garbage is just yet another attempt to SMOTHER ALL COMPETITION One should ask themselves - just why would there be all of a sudden 4 separate posts on the same day if it were NOT to put out a few spot fires that are interferring with the Marketing Plan?Coincidence - ????? - Maybe????? - Maybe NOT!

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The men in the white coats are coming. Just do what they say.

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>The men in the white coats are coming. Just do what they>say.YES SIR - please pass the bottle

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>One should ask themselves - just why would there be all of a>sudden 4 separate posts on the same day if it were NOT to put>out a few spot fires that are interferring with the Marketing>Plan?>>Well, hypothetically, following your advice and asking myself that question would invariably lead to the sudden and enlightening realization that he was merely reposting comments made here over a wide period of time to avoid having to re-answer the same questions over and over again.While I think it is generally a decent idea, it certainly doesn't avoid the issue making itself very obvious here, that some people just aren't going to read or believe what he has to say.

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Good Grief!Why can't some people here be happy that Phil and the Aces team are doing what they can to fix some of the more obvious bugs in FSX?What's wrong with expressing a little gratitude, and saying "Thanks" instead of treating the blogs with derision?I am very happy to see the progress that Phil kindly takes the time to discuss openly.Thank you Phil/Aces.....

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I guess no one can remember a few years ago, when MS had no presence on this board and very few updates to the public. Now the Aces team regularly extends a hand to the community and people scoff at it.MS employees aren't paid to give updates to the public, they're paid to write software. We should be thankful the devs actually listen to the community and keep us in the loop.

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The biggest disappointment is his comments related to Windows XP and DX10.

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"For instance, we are not fixing the landclass issues. It is too big and systemic." This is like saying...."Sorry Mr Smith, we put the wrong radio in your car, but we aren't going to fix the problem even though you paid full price for a CD player, your stuck with the am/fm indash. The whole thing that upsets me is we paid full price for a product that wasn't right out of the box, now we're just getting minor fixes and supposed to live with it. Dan

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In my opin the landclass is good enough. Let 3rd party do tweaks.The problem is, programming landclass by hand is very tedious and time consuming. Microsoft did not in essence hand-make the landclass. It was processed from a dataset. That's the only PRACTICAL way to code landclass for the entire planet. Think about how big that is! 1.2 x 1.2 km squares *each* over the whole planet. Land and water.RhettAMD 3700+ (@2310 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2 GB Corsair XMS 2.5-3-3-8 (1T), WD 250 gig 7200 rpm SATA2, CoolerMaster Praetorian case

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>Sorry too much - but I fail to see why any of this is GOOD>NEWS >>To me it is just a great guy doing what he is being PAID heaps>of money for - to try and pacify the masses with Male Bovine>Excrement to cover the fact that Redmond has made their most>gigantic STUFFUP's yet in order to get Vista onto as many>machines as they can >>Why does anyone think that FSX came out BEFORE Xmas? - Along>with all the associated Hype about how MUCH better it would>"run" under Vista - Phil Taylor has admitted that, that is NOT>the case >>Then of course there are the usual "excuses" why DX10 cannot>run under anything other than Vista - IMHO - that is just a>bigger dose of BS - think about it - they have not been able>to get the original Longhorn working at all to what was>proposed and this Vista garbage is just yet another attempt to>SMOTHER ALL COMPETITION >>One should ask themselves - just why would there be all of a>sudden 4 separate posts on the same day if it were NOT to put>out a few spot fires that are interferring with the Marketing>Plan?>>Coincidence - ????? - Maybe????? - Maybe NOT!>Wow... you really have no idea about the fundamental changes to DirectX with version 10. It really would be quite impossible for MS to release a version 10 for Win XP without a total rewrite of the base kernel OS.I realize you're a very, very angry person... but... might I suggest you stop making accusations without foundation? You won't look quite so foolish. :)

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I don't understand how the other really high end games can do multi-threading and use multiple core tech in their latest games and Microsoft can't. I have a son that is an engineer for intel and they write apps and have been teaching for some time how to write so that the software recognizes the computer resources and adjusts to use all the resources. At least this is my best understanding of what he told me.lfishe

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Nothing in life is easy Phil. But I am sure we don't have to tell you that :) Besides, Carmack is pretty much a nobody in the field of games these days. Don't get me wrong, as people still respect him for what he accomplished in the heyday and for revolutionizing the pc gaming industry, but his engines and technology are wayyy out of date and have been for a while now. Doom3 was basically obsolete the day it was released which is why it garnered such lackluster reviews from the gaming community and basically nobody plays or ever really did play doom3 or quake4 for the most part. Pretty much every game they made after Quake1 was crap and I say this as a player that was on the doom2 team and Q1 clan that came in 2nd to Thresh's team in the early to mid 90's in the national tournaments. Using him as an example on how to code a modern game engine is probably not the best example.

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>>One should ask themselves - just why would there be all of a>sudden 4 separate posts on the same day if it were NOT to put>out a few spot fires that are interferring with the Marketing>Plan?>>Coincidence - ????? - Maybe????? - Maybe NOT!>Ozzie...come on. If he posts nothing, the black helicopter FUD crowd asks "why are they being so secretive?" So Phil gives you multiple posts in one day to try and provide some information and you make it sound like a conspiracy. Maybe you could just think of it as a Valentines Day gift. :-)#####? No good deed goes unpunished, and the paranoia is really getting old.

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>I guess no one can remember a few years ago, when MS had no>presence on this board and very few updates to the public. >Now the Aces team regularly extends a hand to the community>and people scoff at it.>>MS employees aren't paid to give updates to the public,>they're paid to write software. We should be thankful the>devs actually listen to the community and keep us in the>loop.but look at all the presence they had during the FSX development and look what we got out of it?

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>To me it is just a great guy doing what he is being PAID heaps>of money for - to try and pacify the masses with Male Bovine>Excrement to cover the fact that Redmond has made their most>gigantic STUFFUP's yet in order to get Vista onto as many>machines as they can Wrong! The folks at ACES who post here and maintain blogs do it on their own time out of their own kindness...You come in here with your guns blazing like some kind of illiterate urban cowboy.You need to be shown the door.

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Ozzie-I point you also to this read from 1999:http://www.avsim.com/pages/1099/guest/guest.shtmlNotice the "Before xmas" was mentioned along with "beta testing" and all those other good non original but often repeated mantras we see with every new release of a sim-and those sims were not even "shock" put out by Microsoft-but smaller companies trying to compete with it..http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpg

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Do you realy believe that the freely available USGS landclass dataset has large parts of the US classified as dessert? Of course not the data is a bit rough but it isn't wrong in qualifying.What I see released in the SP1 status update is some mesh updates by the data team (in selected places they state they can't do everything) and a fix for the twighlight bug.Thats nice but not overly impressive when you consider that 3rd party or freeware developers with the right geodata tools can make those mesh fixes since day one. Just take the river vector data and flatten the mesh spikes on the rivers. Nothing in that kind of fix touches the FS-X exe its just a small data update in a small place in the gameworld.So the big news is the twighlight bug is gone..... Lets wait and see if we get actual big perfomance increases in SP1 and if they fix the Duo Core memory leak described by some developers. Maybe they could also confirm that they know of that bug. That would be a nice gesture.Wel lets see what news the first week of march will bring us. Small tip Phil don't be late. 'Beware the Ides of March' ;-)

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Will these fixes be included:SimConnect, Weather, Alt-Tab Key hanging, aircraft lighting in general, total fuel not calculated on fuel page, airport vehicles sinking into the ground, airport vehicles hopping while stationary, on the Airbus clicking VORD changes writing to CSTR, strobe and navigation still display in 2d mode when panel is removed, airport beacon disappears when ten miles from the airport. Just a few I've seen in the forum.SD

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I feel sorry for you Ozzie. Your blinded by your own sense of importance. That you so often have to come on here to beat down anyone trying to say something decent or heaven forbid say something good about your arch nemesis Microsoft.Every single comment you have made recently has been rude, erosive to this community, and show a complete lack of respect for Avsim, it's members, Microsoft, ACES, even to the point of personal attacks on members of the ACES team.I would hope eventually you get tired of your rants, and give up coming here. I for for one would say good ridance. I personally use FSX, yes it has a few problems, yes its not the perfect simulator, but it has very good redeeming qualities. You can see the effort and time that went into improving the product, and taking it that next step forward in its life. But with respect to the few problems it has, rather than LIKE YOU, coming in here with your guns blazing, LOOK AT ME, I HATE MICROOSFT rants, wouldn't it be more constructive not only to the ACES team, but to this very community to offer straightforward constructive criticism? Or, god forbid actually offer up some help? Why must you come in here spewing, in your own words 'Male Bovine Excrement' for all to see? It's obvious Microsft must have hurt you personally to feel the way you do. They must have seriously caused you pain, in that you were forced to buy their products. You have so much choice, FlightGear, X-Plane, the FLy! series, why come here with your outrageous comments and holyer than thou attitude?Please, I ask you, leave, go away, find something else that meets your exceedingly rediculous standards, and leave us to enjoy and work with our new Sim. Perhaps Linux or MAC OSX might suite you better, see how much of a choice you have there.Jay

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>Do you realy believe that the freely available USGS landclass>dataset has large parts of the US classified as dessert? Well of course not. What makes you think that I do? Boshar you do realize that the desert thing is NOT a landclass issue at all. It is a texture issue.All you are seeing is the winter grass texture.RhettAMD 3700+ (@2310 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2 GB Corsair XMS 2.5-3-3-8 (1T), WD 250 gig 7200 rpm SATA2, CoolerMaster Praetorian case

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