TIMECLI and TIMEDEC

[jarmstro 2,405]

Since SU5 The flight planner adds TIMECLI and TIMEDEC to the route. But the magenta line does not show them. Are these in fact real world waypoints? What are they for?

[Glenn Fitzpatrick 3,799]

MS adds them since SU5.  They really mess up some aftermarket GPS and flight plans.

They seem to be short for TIME CLIMB and TIME DESCENT?   There is also a TIMEDEP (DEPART) and TIMEAPP (APPROACH ).  Perhaps they are playing around with VNAV ? .

 

 

Edited August 23, 2021 by Glenn Fitzpatrick

[jarmstro 2,405]

8 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

MS adds them since SU5.  They really mess up some aftermarket GPS and flight plans.

They seem to be short for TIME CLIMB and TIME DESCENT?   There is also a TIMEDEP (DEPART) and TIMEAPP (APPROACH ).  Perhaps they are playing around with VNAV ? .

 

 

Is this something that real world VFR pilots would use? I can't seem to delete these waypoints? In addition I've seen posts claiming that the autopilot LNAV no longer works. But it's just these fictional additions.

[NismoRR 191]

All horrible. Just a one word question…”WHY?!?!” Is there any rationale whatsoever to include this ridiculousness? 

[Glenn Fitzpatrick 3,799]

No idea.  If you create a flight plan manually from in the cockpit with your gtn750 or GX3000 etc it seems to work and you can avoid those things.

[Matchstick 1,905]

5 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

No idea.  If you create a flight plan manually from in the cockpit with your gtn750 or GX3000 etc it seems to work and you can avoid those things.

I believe you can also try Inverting a flight plan twice.

So you can do things where you have a GPS you can enter data into or otherwise manipulate the flight plan but less good with the JF Arrow/Warrior's Garmin G100 or Iris Tutor's Filser LX 500TR where you don't have that control.

Ultimately any proper solution has to come from Asobo (ideally with an explanation of what the heck they were thinking in teh first place)

Edited August 23, 2021 by Matchstick

[Romeo_Tango 143]

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

Since SU5 The flight planner adds TIMECLI and TIMEDEC to the route. But the magenta line does not show them. Are these in fact real world waypoints? What are they for?

IMO, just another indicator, that as talented as the developers are, they have very limited knowledge of aviation, or what hardcore simmers are all about. 

[jarmstro 2,405]

22 minutes ago, Romeo_Tango said:

IMO, just another indicator, that as talented as the developers are, they have very limited knowledge of aviation, or what hardcore simmers are all about. 

But what is the purpose of these waypoints? I just dont understand? One TIMECLI  waypoint I had was 54 miles from the airport?

[sidfadc 1,344]

I saw this the other day after creating a route in Little Nav Map using custom waypoints - the sim did include those custom waypoints but added additional ones with no relevance?  This was using the GNS 430 in the JF Arrow.

Pre SU5 I’m sure it used to behave differently

[Matchstick 1,905]

14 minutes ago, sidfadc said:

I saw this the other day after creating a route in Little Nav Map using custom waypoints - the sim did include those custom waypoints but added additional ones with no relevance?  This was using the GNS 430 in the JF Arrow.

Pre SU5 I’m sure it used to behave differently

This is definitely new behaviour in SU5 - it was questioned during the beta but no-one ever explained what it was meant to be then, either

Edited August 23, 2021 by Matchstick

[orchestra_nl 962]

14 minutes ago, sidfadc said:

I saw this the other day after creating a route in Little Nav Map using custom waypoints - the sim did include those custom waypoints but added additional ones with no relevance?  This was using the GNS 430 in the JF Arrow.

Pre SU5 I’m sure it used to behave differently

Even if you create the flightplan within MSFS it adds those two. The problem might be limited to the GNS 530/430. I discovered that inverting the flightplan gets rid of these waypoints but it is a nuisance.

[Ixoye 1,841]

I think it's an Xbox thing, like simplified departure and arrival view points in flight plans.

[Mike S KPDX 598]

I am kinda of thinking this may be some new ground work to allow for future third party AI aircraft (traffic) development.

[Bert Pieke 7,592]

48 minutes ago, Ixoye said:

I think it's an Xbox thing, like simplified departure and arrival view points in flight plans.

Maybe part of the same project, that we now have to choose "Space" twice to select a flight plan.

[Sigwolf 222]

1 minute ago, Bert Pieke said:

Maybe part of the same project, that we now have to choose "Space" twice to select a flight plan.

...or click Departure Airport, and then click again to highlight the selection box before you can search for an airport. Improvements, brilliant!  🤣