2 hours ago, BiologicalNanobot said:

Who said Enhanced Cloudscapes development has stopped? It is continuing along with Enhanced Skyscapes as well. Enhanced Cloudscapes will always stay freeware & open source and receive the improvements & fixes I have been collecting over the course of several months.

You can change the name as much as like but I am not fooled. Though It's no skin off my nose as I did not donate. I frequently donate to freeware developers who give their time freely to the benefit of the community but from now on I will be far more diligent. I may invest in a commercial venture but I will never knowingly donate to it. I ask again, will all those who donated to what they thought was freeware but was in fact a commercial project get a free copy?

Asking someone who is most likely covered by an NDA to spill the beans is really silly. Can we return to the topic?

46 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

You can change the name as much as like but I am not fooled. Though It's no skin off my nose as I did not donate. I frequently donate to freeware developers who give their time freely to the benefit of the community but from now on I will be far more diligent. I may invest in a commercial venture but I will never knowingly donate to it. I ask again, will all those who donated to what they thought was freeware but was in fact a commercial project get a free copy?

I guess you dont want to get paid for your work. Your employer must be impressed.

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

You can change the name as much as like but I am not fooled. Though It's no skin off my nose as I did not donate. I frequently donate to freeware developers who give their time freely to the benefit of the community but from now on I will be far more diligent.

Are you trying to imply that I have been "fooling" everyone by working on a commercial add-on, just because I have made a freeware before that? I am sorry but this is terribly unfair. I am not trying to fool anyone. After my relative successful start with EC, I wanted to use my experience to make something new, that is pretty much all. I made EC freeware and open source, because it was my very first X-Plane and graphics programming project, which means it was full of rookie mistakes and I believed it could be improved by other skilled people in the community. In the end, I will keep developing and improving both. EC will always stay free and open source. What exactly is the problem? How exactly does ES make EC commercial?

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

I ask again, will all those who donated to what they thought was freeware but was in fact a commercial project get a free copy?

Again, it was not a commercial project, regardless of what you think about it. EC had no commercial intentions whatsoever and ES is a completely separate project with vastly different code base. But the answer to your question is yes, I have had sent my Patrons an email about that long ago. They will indeed receive a free copy.

Edited September 22, 20214 yr by BiologicalNanobot

25 minutes ago, BiologicalNanobot said:

They will indeed receive a free copy.

Good.

43 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

Good.

Don’t you also mean “and sorry”?

21 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

Don’t you also mean “and sorry”?

Definitely not! Normal convention is to offer early access of an upcoming product in return for a low payment. It is not good practice to ask for charitable donations for a new computer, by monthly subscription only, to continue developing freeware in order to produce a commercial product with the knowledge gained especially when the intention is not made crystal clear from the start. No doubt the sums of money involved are trivial but the principle is not. He's now doing the right thing by offering a free copy to those who donated to the computer and freeware.

Edited September 22, 20214 yr by jarmstro

18 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

Definitely not! Normal convention is to offer early access of an upcoming product in return for a low payment. It is not good practice to ask for charitable donations for a new computer, by monthly subscription only, to continue developing freeware in order to produce a commercial product with the knowledge gained especially when the intention is not made crystal clear from the start. No doubt the sums of money involved are trivial but the principle is not. He's now doing the right thing by offering a free copy to those who donated to the computer and freeware.

That is some logical gymnastics you’ve done there to justify false accusations. Did you actually read biologicalnanobot’s last post, or just the part that you were able to say ‘good’ to?

13 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

That is some logical gymnastics you’ve done there to justify false accusations. Did you actually read biologicalnanobot’s last post, or just the part that you were able to say ‘good’ to?

Gymnastics.? Not so much. I meant what I said. I made no accusation and I am sure there was no ill intent having followed the project from the start but a line was in danger of being crossed and I would not want it to set a precedent.

Edited September 22, 20214 yr by jarmstro

6 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

I made no accusation

You’ve accused him of fooling people into giving him charitable donations to fund his education to make commercial products, and only now (after your sage warning) ‘doing the right thing’ of offering a totally different commercial product to donators for free.

Yeah, you did make some accusations.

48 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

for a new computer

When did I exactly do that? I have never asked for donations for a new computer, I am still using my old desktop with i7-6700 and GTX 1070 with a replaced PSU which I paid myself. I announced that my PSU died and therefore the development was halted, but I did not request any donations. People indeed wanted to donate, but I was able to fix the issue myself without needing donations. Either case, how could I exactly know that I would want to make a commercial add-on in the future?

48 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

When the intention is not made crystal clear from the start.

Maybe because I literally did not have any intentions whatsoever to make a commercial product at the beginning? Am I really in the wrong because I could not see the future and therefore had no way to know that I would want to make a commercial add-on in the future? Just because I started with a freeware and collected donations, am I really not allowed to work on a commercial add-on at a later stage? This is getting insane. It went from "small puddle of rubbishy clouds" to that I have fooled everyone and now requested donations for a new PC. Sorry but I have no intentions to continue this conversation any further.

48 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

early access of an upcoming product

I am saying that for one last time, when I was developing EC there was no "upcoming product" in my mind, and EC is not an early access of ES. It is still actively developed alongside with ES as a completely freeware alternative for people who can't afford / don't want to use payware.

Edited September 22, 20214 yr by BiologicalNanobot

We do not require jarmstro to act as a policeman here. A long period of silence from him would be welcome. As for police, we have moderators and I hope they show up soon.

5 hours ago, rka said:

It's great that you "know". 

Feel free to counter with an actual argument. This "I belong to the enlightened circle" stuff is just silly. 

Nah.  Not even going to bother.

Between Jarmstro's ridiculous comments about a developer and his $15 plugin, and rka's verbal nonsense about what he THINKS he knows, I honestly don't know why I waste my time.

Edited September 23, 20214 yr by GoranM

3 hours ago, GoranM said:

I honestly don't know why I waste my time.

Neither do we know why you waste your time. 😃

@BiologicalNanobot Dont bother arguing, those who come here to whine do it here because no one else will have them.