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I know it has just been released, but I'd be interested if any early adopters can comment. More specifically how it compares to Eaglesoft's version?ThanksBrian

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I too have the Eaglesoft version for FS9. What I'm concerned about as I'm sure others are will be the framerate hit. What was nice about the Eaglesoft version was that allowed you to load different models with varying hits on framerate. I saw that the Wilco version had a framerate slider but would like to here from any that purchase what kind of framerates you get with the Wilco version. Posting of your machine specs would be most helpful. Thanks in advance. Craig

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I bought it, but I don't have any 2D panels and in the VC a lot of panels are missing. Wilco, however, says on their website that they have issues with Vista and that they are working on it. I just wonder why they did not fix this before they release the X.

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I reinstalled it, it works great right now. I have a dual core AMD, Nvidia 8800, 3gb Ram and am getting 16-19 fps with the high end model.

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Is there much of a difference between the feelthere and eaglesoft versions? Going through the specs for each I can't find a difference except some eyecandy, all the systems seem to be similar etc.... argh! The choices to make.I've seen Eaglesoft on the forums, how do each companies support rate?Is there a reason to wait for the Eaglesoft version? Ian.

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The plane is good.... it has a couple problems1 I can not import flightplans to the FMC2 The citationxx gauge cause CTD3 There is no autothrottleThe plane needs "gps_export.dll" and its size should be 6144 bytes. Somehow I do not have that file...anyone knows where I can find it let me know. The one on the orginal FS9 is a older version 6KB size.Dave

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>The plane is good.... it has a couple problems>>1 I can not import flightplans to the FMC>2 The citationxx gauge cause CTD>3 There is no autothrottle>>>>>The plane needs "gps_export.dll" and its size should be 6144>bytes. Somehow I do not have that file...anyone knows where I>can find it let me know. The one on the orginal FS9 is a>older version 6KB size.>>>Dave>I don't think the real one has an autothrottle. I could be wrong, but I thought I read that at the Eaglesoft forums some time ago.

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I have the Eaglesoft one. It does not have full function FMS. From Wilco's documentation, their Citation X has a full working FMS.

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I have the FS9 Eaglesoft version and found the FeelThere FSX Citation to be equally high in quality. The FPS were comparable to better than the FSX default aircraft. So, if you have good frames using the default FSX aircraft, you should have no problems with the Citation X. I found no problems flying the aircraft with Vista Premium installed (in contravention to others who have indicated problems with Vista). You will have to read the manual first to fly the aircraft! Chip Barber wrote an excellent manual that's not filled with a lot of technical data. Just the stuff to get the aircraft in the air and landing safely. I jumped in w/o reading the manual and was able to successfully program the FMS with my FSX flightplan (KLAX-KSFO). You can automatically load a FSX/FS9 flightplan which is great and saves some time. Programming the FMS was about the only thing I could accomplish w/o reading the manual. My first test flight resulted in a crash as I fumbled with the AP switches and overspeed warnings. Reading the manual will fix that. The manual also tells you about a Citation X Setup Utility which I missed because I was anxious to get the aircraft flying. You should set up your aircraft before you attempt to fly! (sort of like the real thing....) Overall I think this Citation will stay in my hanger and I will even upgrade my FS9 Citation when Eaglesoft upgrades their FS9 version (doubt the upgrade will cost much if anything at all for previous owners). Hope this helps.Best regards,Jim

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>I have the FS9 Eaglesoft version and found the FeelThere FSX>Citation to be equally high in quality. The FPS were>comparable to better than the FSX default aircraft. So, if you>have good frames using the default FSX aircraft, you should>have no problems with the Citation X. I found no problems>flying the aircraft with Vista Premium installed (in>contravention to others who have indicated problems with>Vista). You will have to read the manual first to fly the>aircraft! Chip Barber wrote an excellent manual that's not>filled with a lot of technical data. Just the stuff to get>the aircraft in the air and landing safely. I jumped in w/o>reading the manual and was able to successfully program the>FMS with my FSX flightplan (KLAX-KSFO). You can automatically>load a FSX/FS9 flightplan which is great and saves some time.>Programming the FMS was about the only thing I could>accomplish w/o reading the manual. My first test flight>resulted in a crash as I fumbled with the AP switches and>overspeed warnings. Reading the manual will fix that. The>manual also tells you about a Citation X Setup Utility which I>missed because I was anxious to get the aircraft flying. You>should set up your aircraft before you attempt to fly! (sort>of like the real thing....) Overall I think this Citation will>stay in my hanger and I will even upgrade my FS9 Citation when>Eaglesoft upgrades their FS9 version (doubt the upgrade will>cost much if anything at all for previous owners). Hope this>helps.>>Best regards,>Jim Thanks for the insight and touching on some of the aspects of the aircaft, Jim. It is much appreciated!How is she visually? It is sometimes difficult to really see how she looks by just a few screenshots.Also, hows the VC gauge refresh rate?Thanks!

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I bought it as well, couldn't resist. Frames are not a problem, I actually didn't notice a difference between the default lear and the X as far as frames.There is no auto throttle according in the real Citation X according to the support forum, though it mentions a workaround for those who don't like to fly without one. I haven't flown it yet but had a quick look and so far so good, looking forward to jumping in and giving a few test flights.The manual is a must read, at least for me. Seems a little more complex than the defualt lear that's for sure. Initial impressions are good.Ian.

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Loved the EagleSoft version for FS9. A big plus with Wilco's X is of course the FMS. I have to say though, that the interior textures for EagleSoft are photorealistic - much more immersive then the artificial looking interior of Wilco's X. In fact, little disappointed at those interior graphics for Wilco - not bad but lacks the crispness and realism of EagleSoft's. I understand that EagleSoft have promised an FMS at some point with their next version of the X.

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to those that have asked:functional FMS - yes, the FMS has both LNAV and VNAV (the FMS has its history in the ERJ, but the VNAV function)autothrottle -no ... not on the real aircraft, so not in the FS aircraft.--

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>The plane is good.... it has a couple problems>>1 I can not import flightplans to the FMC>2 The citationxx gauge cause CTD>3 There is no autothrottle>>>>>The plane needs "gps_export.dll" and its size should be 6144>bytes. Somehow I do not have that file...anyone knows where I>can find it let me know. The one on the orginal FS9 is a>older version 6KB size.>>>Dave>I get a crash as well when i try to load the flight plan via FMS. However, if you open the flight plan in your FSX flight planner before you start the flight (get it into the memory), it will work. I never saw a gps_export.dll in FSX. Looks like a wrong info. That's clearly a bug (which none of the beta tester had experienced...).I have a hard time with the weather radar. The warm up phase takes several minutes and i get a purple screen with pink clouds in a thunderstorm. After some minutes it stops working completely. Can somebody confirm this issue ?Heiko

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I like this add on a lot. As others have said, some of the modeling could be better, in the windshield and nose mainly. Would have been nice to have 3d cup holders too. The textures should be made a little more accurate. With that said, the fmc is well done with an up to date dps/stars database and the frame rates are very good given the complexity. For me, the aircraft does not perform quite as well as the learjet but it's definitely impressive for such a complex add on. It has similar systems to the embraer legacy but gets 5-8 fps higher on average. Plus you have the aircraft configurator to program gauge features among other things and "no eye candy" models e.g. no stewardess, parking scenery to further improve frame rates. Honestly you can't tell the difference when flying. OH AND THE LANDING LIGHTS WORK! I had an annoying problem with the no eye candy models not working and I figured out the third line in the model.cfg was wronginterior=Citation_interior_nocandychanged tointerior=Citation_nocandy_interiorSimple but stupid mistake when you're paying a pretty penny.Besides impatience, performance is a critical reason why I chose to go with feelthere rather than wait it out for eaglesoft's rendition. The beechjet runs pretty choppy for me in fsx and it really shouldn't because it is not as complex as this add on, not much more so than the default aircraft. Hopefully sp1 will help things because it's a cool looking plane.

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>Besides impatience, performance is a critical reason why I>chose to go with feelthere rather than wait it out for>eaglesoft's rendition. The beechjet runs pretty choppy for me>in fsx and it really shouldn't because it is not as complex as>this add on, not much more so than the default aircraft.>Hopefully sp1 will help things because it's a cool looking>plane. I'd be curious as to your system specs.

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>I had an annoying problem with the no eye candy models not>working and I figured out the third line in the model.cfg was>wrong>>interior=Citation_interior_nocandy>changed to>interior=Citation_nocandy_interior>>Simple but stupid mistake when you're paying a pretty penny.>Oh thanks... ! I was already in doubt.

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Sooooo you guys are telling us that the framerates in this complex addon are the same as the default aircraft?? how is that possible!? you would think with more switches, panels, functioning systems, etc...that the FPS hit would be huge. I too have the beechjet for FSX and where I can get 28-30 fps in the lear or crj, I get about 20-22 in the beechjet. If the FPS claims are true, this "X" will be mine tonight!!

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>I like this add on a lot. As others have said, some of the>modeling could be better, in the windshield and nose mainly.>Would have been nice to have 3d cup holders too. The textures>should be made a little more accurate. With that said, the fmc>is well done with an up to date dps/stars database and the>frame rates are very good given the complexity. For me, the>aircraft does not perform quite as well as the learjet but>it's definitely impressive for such a complex add on. It has>similar systems to the embraer legacy but gets 5-8 fps higher>on average. Plus you have the aircraft configurator to program>gauge features among other things and "no eye candy" models>e.g. no stewardess, parking scenery to further improve frame>rates. Honestly you can't tell the difference when flying. OH>AND THE LANDING LIGHTS WORK! >>I had an annoying problem with the no eye candy models not>working and I figured out the third line in the model.cfg was>wrong>>interior=Citation_interior_nocandy>changed to>interior=Citation_nocandy_interior>>Simple but stupid mistake when you're paying a pretty penny.>>Besides impatience, performance is a critical reason why I>chose to go with feelthere rather than wait it out for>eaglesoft's rendition. The beechjet runs pretty choppy for me>in fsx and it really shouldn't because it is not as complex as>this add on, not much more so than the default aircraft.>Hopefully sp1 will help things because it's a cool looking>plane. I feel exactly the same about this purchase. Thanks for the tips.

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so before I dip and make the purchase, how do the FR's compare to that of the default 737-800 or the CRJ which in my mind are the most complex default aircraft.I guess the main question here is, can I keep most of the functionality of the systems (apu, pneumatics, FMS,etc..) and sacrifice the eye candy and get the same or better frames as the default 737 or crj on my rig?? The reason for the comparison is I am very happy with the frames that I get from the default 737 and CRJ but they lack the complexity that I long for.

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Besides the NO CANDY, what are the other FPS tweaks?Have just bought it, the FPS are SURPRISINGLY smooth compared to what I thought they would be, around 16 FPS on final 500f and below in EGLC. Much better than FeelThere ERJ-145 (poor), but still considerably less than default Learjet45 on my system.What are the other FPS tweaks for this aircraft please?What is the best acceptable quality/fps setting in the Graphics tab? The box Line Antialiasing is ticked, the text rendering is Antialiasing by default. Blend color is also ticked. Which one is more saving and visible yet? I still wish I could tweak it on a par with Learjet's FPS. Any suggestions, please?How do you accelerate/decelerate past 40knots on the runway with "Limit nosewhell steering above 40 kts" ticked for realism? I end up in the fence mostly with my fine tuned CHPedals.Sorry, for the questions, before I dive in the manuals, I want to spin a few circles above London.Good job, FeelThere! (Don't forget we are talking about the performance in FSX).

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Dirk what are your system specs?? 16fps at EGLC is quite good. I too have the ERJ and I found the FR's to be extremely poor. As for the antialiasing, any of it will take a hit on FPS. I dont own the product yet so I cannot comment but, others have said that you can limit instrument functionality in order to save frames. That was what I was concerned with more than anything.

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>Dirk what are your system specs?? 16fps at EGLC is quite>good. I too have the ERJ and I found the FR's to be extremely>poor. As for the antialiasing, any of it will take a hit on>FPS. I dont own the product yet so I cannot comment but,>others have said that you can limit instrument functionality>in order to save frames. That was what I was concerned with>more than anything.>>Thanks, I still wonder what can be tweaked else. Anyone?I run at Senery very dense, Autogen Dense (with the tweak available on the bodards), 1152x864x32, Airline 50%, Filtering Trilinear, Aniso 4, AA x4. 7900GTX, C2Extreme 6800, 2GB.

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wow you really crank up the settings. I know I have a pretty fast rig but I prefer FPS over eye candy so I keep my AA off, my traffic at about 30 pecent (using mytraffic2005), and autogen most undoubtedly off!! Scenery complexity is set to very dense though because I like my airports nice and beffy and airport traffic density is set to medium.

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