3 minutes ago, charliearon said:

It was in the post that I removed!  That's why YOU did not see it!  Any further questions?

Thank you for the explanation.

I was perplexed as to why you issued the warning.  It might help in the future if in your warnings you tell folks that you removed a post.  Just a suggestion.

Dave

Edited January 24, 20224 yr by dave2013

5 minutes ago, dave2013 said:

It might help in the future if in your warnings you tell folks that you removed a post.  Just a suggestion.

 

Cheeky boy.

Minus one cat point.

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1 minute ago, martin-w said:

 

Cheeky boy.

Minus one cat point.

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😁

I was not being "cheeky", which I believe means disrespectful.

I didn't understand what the warning was about and could not find the offending post because he removed it without mentioning that.

Just a misunderstanding.

Dave

Moving on guys!..........🥊

11 minutes ago, martin-w said:

Pointless me saying anything. I'll just let you guys who think the same chat amongst yourselves. 

I disagree.  We should talk about this issue openly and honestly.  We have differences of opinion on some aspects of the issue of renewable energy and climate change, but we also mostly agree on other aspects.

I'll bring up something you've mentioned in the past to illustrate my contention that renewable energy has its disadvantages.

I read an article about Guernsey's energy sources.  It's like 95% renewable from France, which is great.  However, there is a real cost.  The article stated that electricity prices have been increased by 4.8% this year which amounts to about 50 pounds sterling a year.  Extrapolating from this figure, I come up with an average electricity cost of about 86 pounds sterling a month, or about $115.  Now, I live pretty far south and have to run our air conditioner about 7 months a year, which consumes a lot.  You pay what I do during the hottest months of the year keeping my house at 23-24C.  I pay about 40 pound sterling a month in the cooler months.  I do have a gas stove and oven, and that bill averages about $20 a month, or 15 pound sterling.  Now, you probably don't have to run an air conditioner where you live very much at all.  So your cost of electricity is quite a bit higher than what I pay.

My point is that renewable energy costs significantly more, at least in your case. 

Dave

I saw it before it was removed and it was clearly political.

Noel

Before you anti-nuke guys retreat on this, and not going into the pros and cons of nuclear energy, what do you propose we use to make up the shortfall of what solar and wind don't produce?

Noel

30 minutes ago, dave2013 said:

I was not being "cheeky", which I believe means disrespectful

 

Humour Dave, it was a joke. 🙂

36 minutes ago, dave2013 said:

I disagree.  We should talk about this issue openly and honestly. 

 

Sure thing and we have, literally a few days ago. If I do it again I'll be typing everything I typed before (multiple times in the last discussion) and adding the same links.  Would not be a good use of my time. I mean Noel has just asked a question I addressed last time. 

I'll just appear now and again and add a cat picture. 

😸

 

Edited January 24, 20224 yr by martin-w

48 minutes ago, dave2013 said:

My point is that renewable energy costs significantly more, at least in your case.

 

Not a fair comparison Dave. The price of electricity hear isn't because its renewable, other factors are involved. And its not just because France charge us a lot. What the states charge us for our electricity has to cover more than just the electrons. We have spend millions repairing the subsea cable from Jersey and in fact have just sent £30 million I recall on a new subsea cable, I recall its now energised. We also have a back up power station that has to be maintained and ready to supply in emergencies. The rest of the aging infrastructure to maintain too. 

I'm not paying much more than I did in the UK to be honest, think it was about 80 something. And that's despite the fact its an old granite cottage with very little insulation and old sash windows that let in a veritable hurricane. 😁

Renewables cheaper...

https://www.carbonbrief.org/wind-and-solar-are-30-50-cheaper-than-thought-admits-uk-government
 

Quote

 

Electricity generated from wind and solar is 30-50% cheaper than previously thought, according to newly published UK government figures.

As a result, electricity from onshore wind or solar could be supplied in 2025 at half the cost of gas-fired power, the new estimates suggest.

 

 

Renewables were the world’s cheapest source of energy in 2020, new report shows

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/07/renewables-cheapest-energy-source/#:~:text=Renewables were the world's cheapest source of energy in 2020,according to a new report.

 

Garghhhh.... you dastardly man, you fooled me and dragged me into the conversation. You are devilishly cunning. 😃

Edited January 24, 20224 yr by martin-w

53 minutes ago, martin-w said:

I mean Noel has just asked a question I addressed last time. 

I must have missed that Martin.  I got all the cons of nuclear power but I don't recall anybody actually saying what we could use instead of nuclear to make up the shortfall of solar, wind, hydro and geothermal until something new is invented.

Nobody wants to say it, but currently the only alternative to nuclear is fossil fuels.  So the big question is do we risk nuclear and find ways to dispose of nuclear waste (which we can do) or continue emitting CO2 into the atmosphere.  There are no other choices to produce the gigawatts of power required to power industry.

As for transportation we are going to have to live with fossil fuels for the foreseeable future.  Battery powered vehicles need power to recharge batteries.  Where is that going to come from?

Railroad electrification is used in Europe and eastern US but power plants are necessary to provide that electrification.  And those power plants use fossil fuels if not nuclear.

So, as I see it, if we don't build more nuclear power plants then we have to use fossil fuels.

One more thing, if nuclear power is good enough for a Mars colony why isn't it good for all Earth colonies?

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Mars+Astronauts+Will+Use+Nuclear+Energy+To+Power+Space+Colony.-a0517938749

Noel

Edited January 24, 20224 yr by birdguy

1 hour ago, birdguy said:

what do you propose we use to make up the shortfall of what solar and wind don't produce?

Also, how long will it take to replace all nuclear and fossil fuel  with renewables and what are we supposed to do in the meantime? Can we manage the increasing demand with existing nuclear power and fossil fuel plus continuously increasing availability of renewable energy sources? 

Now I'm seeing, in my state, that the PUC (Public Utilities Commission) is purposing a tax on solar installations.  They are bowing to the big utility companies.  They are trying to make it seem like solar is making the utility company provided electrical more expensive.  Can't win for losing! 😳

Here's something CP Rail is doing...

https://electrek.co/2022/01/20/canadian-pacific-railroad-expands-hydrogen-train-program-with-fuel-cell-purchase/

Noel

2 hours ago, martin-w said:

Not a fair comparison Dave. The price of electricity hear isn't because its renewable, other factors are involved.

I raised this specific point in the earlier thread - the "price" of electricity unless itemized is two things, the electrons themselves and a portion of the grid cost.

It becomes tedious to say the same things over and over again, and it feels like people aren't absorbing the points made being made. Hard to have a discussion that way.

Cheers!