I've experienced the following problems with these payware aircraft after installing SP1 with a clean install of FSX and VS2005...did not have these problems pre SP1:FSD C337 FSX: Whenever I cycle through the views and return to the C337 VC view I get an hourglass and the dreaded MS error message. I don't have this problem with any of the default aircraft.RealAir SF260 2007: MS Error message and freeze whenever I right click the screen to check AI aircraft and then return to the VC cockpit. I've also occasionally experience freezes when cycling through views. Again, no similar problems with the default aircraft.Anyone else experience this after installing SP1?

Eaglesoft's sr20 stopped working for me after sp1. I let Ron know about it but apparently it's a problem on my end and not on theirs. I'm just going to remove it because i am tired of messing with it and it runs too slowly for fsx anyway.________________________________________________________________________________________________Intel D975XBX2 'Bad Axe 2' | Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 3.20Ghz | 2 GB Super Talent DDR2 800 | Big Typhoon VX | eVGA 8800GTS @ 565/900 | Seagate 2x320GB SATA RAID-0 | OCZ GameXStream 700W | Creative X-Fi | Silverstone TJ-09BW | Matrox Triplehead Setup

>RealAir SF260 2007: MS Error message and freeze whenever I>right click the screen to check AI aircraft and then return to>the VC cockpit. I've also occasionally experience freezes>when cycling through views. Again, no similar problems with>the default aircraft.>>Anyone else experience this after installing SP1?The RealAir SF260 2007 has been behaving very nicely for me with SP1 (I frequently cycle the views). I haven't tried the right click for AI option but will give it a shot when I get back from work and let you know. Hopefully it won't freeze my PC...David

>Eaglesoft's sr20 stopped working for me after sp1. I let Ron>know about it but apparently it's a problem on my end and not>on theirs. I'm just going to remove it because i am tired of>messing with it and it runs too slowly for fsx anyway.Dave, to set the record straight, the answer we gave you in our forum is the truth with regard to Vista, FSX, and SP1. You could have stated here that your problems are related to Vista and FSX instead of casting dispersions on the FSX SR20. We have a barrel full of satisfied FSX SR20 users who are enjoying it with SP1."Hmm, Vista also has UAC along with DEP to deal with.... At any rate, let's settle somethings once and for all. 1. All of our FSX aircraft have been tested under FSX RTM,and SP1 RTW. 2. All of our FSX aircraft now work in FSX under WinXP without problems. 3. All of our FSX aircraft now work in FSX under WinVista 32 Bit as long as users handle their Vista security settings properly. 4. All of our FSX aircraft now work in FSX under WinVista 64 Bit as long as users handle their Vista security settings properly. Please understand that Vista and FSX are "security bound" and require Vista users to interact with their OS and FSX for best use. This has nothing whatsover to do with Eaglesoft Products as they already work in FSX as they were designed to. Buy the way, in the last 24 hours I have flown all of our FSX Aircraft in FSX w/SP1 and can say that not only do they work well, but that SP1 is quite a success story not only "in house" on older hardware, but Avsim seems to be running about 95 to 98% positive on SP1."

>>well, but that SP1 is quite a success story not only "in>house" on older hardware, but Avsim seems to be running about>95 to 98% positive on SP1." >Funny guy are you and helpful ;-) Andr

I just checked my RealAir SF260 and I cannot duplicate your problem with FSX SP1.I don't have the FSD C337 but I do have the FSD Saratoga II and again no problem cycling views.Sorry that I can't offer any advice on how to fix your problem.Just thought I'd confirm that at least on my sysstem the aircraft are working correctly. I also have the Eaglesoft CJ1 and although I had no problems with it pre SP1,now it is just sooooooooooooooooo smooth.Nice job guys.Michael

I have the same add-ons you are mentioning and have no problems with them.Dual core AMD3 gb RamNvidia 8800

Thanks guys! I do some more troubleshooting on my end.

>>Eaglesoft's sr20 stopped working for me after sp1. I let>Ron>>know about it but apparently it's a problem on my end and>not>>on theirs. I'm just going to remove it because i am tired of>>messing with it and it runs too slowly for fsx anyway.>>Dave, to set the record straight, the answer we gave you in>our forum is the truth with regard to Vista, FSX, and SP1. You>could have stated here that your problems are related to Vista>and FSX instead of casting dispersions on the FSX SR20. We>have a barrel full of satisfied FSX SR20 users who are>enjoying it with SP1.>>"Hmm, Vista also has UAC along with DEP to deal with.... >>At any rate, let's settle somethings once and for all. >1. All of our FSX aircraft have been tested under FSX RTM,and>SP1 RTW. >2. All of our FSX aircraft now work in FSX under WinXP without>problems. >3. All of our FSX aircraft now work in FSX under WinVista 32>Bit as long as users handle their Vista security settings>properly. >4. All of our FSX aircraft now work in FSX under WinVista 64>Bit as long as users handle their Vista security settings>properly. >>Please understand that Vista and FSX are "security bound" and>require Vista users to interact with their OS and FSX for best>use. >This has nothing whatsover to do with Eaglesoft Products as>they already work in FSX as they were designed to. >>Buy the way, in the last 24 hours I have flown all of our FSX>Aircraft in FSX w/SP1 and can say that not only do they work>well, but that SP1 is quite a success story not only "in>house" on older hardware, but Avsim seems to be running about>95 to 98% positive on SP1." >As I said before in case you didn't read it: Apparently the problem is on my end and not yours. The fact is that either way post SP1 it doesn't work for me and i didn't hear you offering up any support or reasons why other than the canned 'vista requires users to interact with security' line. Congratulations that you can fly in vista with sp1, I could care less about your ability to do that. I am concerned with me, just as you should be.Now for the 4th time: How do i remove this plane from fsx since there is no uninstall for it? Thank you.________________________________________________________________________________________________Intel D975XBX2 'Bad Axe 2' | Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 3.20Ghz | 2 GB Super Talent DDR2 800 | Big Typhoon VX | eVGA 8800GTS @ 565/900 | Seagate 2x320GB SATA RAID-0 | OCZ GameXStream 700W | Creative X-Fi | Silverstone TJ-09BW | Matrox Triplehead Setup

>Congratulations that you can fly in vista with sp1, I could care less about your ability to do that. I am concerned with me, just as you should be.>Now for the 4th time: How do i remove this plane from fsx since there is no uninstall for it? Thank you.What we mean is that our and others experience differs from yours. You received an honest answer at our forum and apparently didn't like the answer so you come here and tell part of the story...Then cast dispersions on a product that is running well for a lot of people as if it is someone elses responsibility to set your machine and FSX/SP1 up for you. Please understand, your problems are not related to our aircraft or all the rest of us would have same issues with the same aircraft that you have.I gave you the answer in our forum with regard to removal..why not read it there?

>>Eaglesoft's sr20 stopped working for me after sp1. I let>Ron>>know about it but apparently it's a problem on my end and>not>>on theirs. I'm just going to remove it because i am tired of>>messing with it and it runs too slowly for fsx anyway.>>Dave, to set the record straight, the answer we gave you in>our forum is the truth with regard to Vista, FSX, and SP1. You>could have stated here that your problems are related to Vista>and FSX instead of casting dispersions on the FSX SR20. We>have a barrel full of satisfied FSX SR20 users who are>enjoying it with SP1.>>"Hmm, Vista also has UAC along with DEP to deal with.... >>At any rate, let's settle somethings once and for all. >1. All of our FSX aircraft have been tested under FSX RTM,and>SP1 RTW. >2. All of our FSX aircraft now work in FSX under WinXP without>problems. >3. All of our FSX aircraft now work in FSX under WinVista 32>Bit as long as users handle their Vista security settings>properly. >4. All of our FSX aircraft now work in FSX under WinVista 64>Bit as long as users handle their Vista security settings>properly. >>Please understand that Vista and FSX are "security bound" and>require Vista users to interact with their OS and FSX for best>use. >This has nothing whatsover to do with Eaglesoft Products as>they already work in FSX as they were designed to. >>Buy the way, in the last 24 hours I have flown all of our FSX>Aircraft in FSX w/SP1 and can say that not only do they work>well, but that SP1 is quite a success story not only "in>house" on older hardware, but Avsim seems to be running about>95 to 98% positive on SP1." >No offense intended.I have the Liberty for FSX and it's performance is terrible.I don't use it. It should be revisited for retuning.

Drop in over at our forum and we'll see if we can help out on the XL2.:-)

I had not read the post over at your forums when i made this post. It was not meant to 'cast dispersion' on your products because frankly your attitude to your customers does that all by itself Ron. I have always said in the past how much I love the xl2. Even with its pretty miserable performance it's still an awesome plane, but the sr20 has been a problem child from day one with the crazy VC that is difficult to display, the fact that we have to disable DEP and UAC in vista to use it, and SP1 breaking it for me was the last straw. Your attitude really leaves a lot to be desired, but you already know that as there are like 1000000 people on these forums that have already told you that...________________________________________________________________________________________________Intel D975XBX2 'Bad Axe 2' | Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 3.20Ghz | 2 GB Super Talent DDR2 800 | Big Typhoon VX | eVGA 8800GTS @ 565/900 | Seagate 2x320GB SATA RAID-0 | OCZ GameXStream 700W | Creative X-Fi | Silverstone TJ-09BW | Matrox Triplehead Setup

Dave, your attitude in our forums and here show plainly the reasons we are unable to help you.For some reason, some folks fail to understand that Vista UAC and DEP have nothing to do with any addon aircraft including ours.UAC and DEP are simply Vista Security issues for users to handle.Again, our answers are honest attempts to help folks realize that their Vista problems are not related to our aircraft. If they were then ALL of our users would report the same issues you have and that sir, is simply not the case. Any time a majority of users are enjoying a product, and a few users are having issues, it points to local machine and user settings for those few. We've been doing this for a while now and have learned a few things about what users DON'T tell us. Your post here is a prime example of users NOT telling the entire story.Failure to understand on your part, does not equate to wrong doing on our part:-)

"Again, our answers are honest attempts to help folks realize that their Vista problems are not related to our aircraft.If they were then ALL of our users would report the same issues you have and that sir, is simply not the case." The issue with DEP causing certain eaglesoft products to crash is something any vista user will experience if they have DEP turned on. If it really does not occur, then something is wrong with your DEP protection. Of course the problem is related to your aircraft and it is equivocation to call it "vista problems". The DEP issue is unfortunate for eaglesoft, but is not restricted to their products. The issue affects a number of programs apart from fsx, and particularly add ons. Of course you would love someone with a complaint about the liberty (which I can't myself speak of) to keep their comments restricted to your own forums. That way they can just sit there doing little damage as they are ignored or insulted away.