Sign in to follow this  
Ray Proudfoot

America 4th July

Recommended Posts

The North American P-51D Mustang has emerged as an icon, and is by far the most widely recognized piston fighter ever produced.Now to an American maybe it's the most recognized airplane ever.However, if I asked my mum to look at a Spitfire and next to it showed a Mustang guess what?She would not have a clue about the Mustang but just may guess the spitfire.Now to a German: Trust me, they all know what a Spitfire looks like.Now if we showed these profiles all over the world to different people and different races and different ages I'd put any money you like on a beat that more people would recognize the Spitfire.So ........ It's certainly not by far the most widely recognized piston figher ever produced?Are we talking Spitfire or Mustang.Anyways, we glad the Americans got their country back. And we are darn glad they helped win the war.Now my wife is from Russia and if you ask her who won the war she would say Russia. All Russians would say Russia.Odd as it may seem you ask the French, who were at times on the side of the Germans would say they won the war.Truth is guys and girls, we all won the war and the Spitfire was at that time the most recognized aircraft in the world and probably still is?As for the Mustang, well it came a very close second.Haha.Please don't take any offence. Always, we here in England would be happy to be the 51st State of our big brother and then truely the America would no longer be independant but again part of a union.A Pradox, and a most interesting thought.But the Spitfire rules.......oh, ho, ho.LOL

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Help AVSIM continue to serve you!
Please donate today!

Interesting stuff Peter :)Now where is GEPRO? LOL!waiting anxiously,Tim :D

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Peter,When I was a kid, growing up in NEW England (;-)), the B-17 was popular because we could watch reruns of "Twelve O'Clock High" in the afternoons after school. The Mustang was always "little brother" to the B-17.But the deep, dark secret I harbored...and never told my Fortress-loving buddies...was that since the Summer of '68, when my parents took me to see "Battle of Britain", the Spit was my absolute favorite airplane. I'm more open about it now...I'll push right past a Mustang if there's a Spitfire to be seen.If I could choose any place and time, and any airplane, I'd pick Hampshire in the Spring and Summer of 1940, and Spit Mk I.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hey Pete, the Spit was pretty popular over here in the US also in certain circles. When I grew up I surely knew about it even in grade school from our history teachers. Maybe I was just lucky :-)I think an original Spit would draw almost as much as a mustang even over here, money wise.A little hint about alot of Americans. We generally have an affinity for foreign things...lol.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I know you do Jeff, your version of London City was one of the best ever produced. And the first to show the Tate & Lyle sugar refinery nearby.edit: why I hear people ask am I conerned with a Sugar refinery? Easy, it's close to my heart as I used to deliver Steel there for a contract company to use. And oh that smell, that wonderful smell of refining cane sugar, Beet sugar smells awful by comparison.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Both are iconic superb aircraft, united by the mighty RR powerplant that took the Mustang from relative obscurity to brilliance.Lets not forget the Hurricane, which was cheap to build and almost as good and the B-17 which was a phenomenal aircraft.Interesting cryptic thread title. July 4th is the day that the Spit and Mustang would be on opposing sides so to speak - I believe we Brits lost that particular battle! Cheers James

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks John,I should say though that Oli did LCY and Oli and Will did EGKK, then it was Oli, Will, and Colin for EGKA, then Oli, Will, and Colin for the first part of KMCI. They are all residents of the London area if I remember right, though Colin I think is from another part of the UK (Mansfield I think). I think I got all that right.:-) Now the rest of KMCI is being finished up here in the US.We actually have people from just about every part of the world right now all working on various projects. We decided to take the hit/flaming for being slow and revamp our announcements policy in order to ensure we didn't get bit by murphy's law again in order to try and maintain a better consitiency and ensure the same good quality in our future releases.We also owe quite a bit to the LCY airport staff, BAA, and EGKA airports dept. for their outstanding assistance in all of our UK series.Even the folks at VFR/Horizon were great in making sure we had dev copies for us to try and ensure some compatibility with their stuff. Unfortunatley though due to various release dates it became nearly impossible to keep up with them in the later stages of our stuff.We do plan on making free FSX upgrades for our UK series when the time comes as well as for our next 2 or 3 FS9 scenery releases we intend (fingers crossed) to have out in the next 2-3 accordingly months.More info then you needed I'm sure, but there you go. We've enjoyed watching these sceneries have very wonderful runs for the last 3 years.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Nah, we let you win....LOLPS: glad you did.... rather glad we let you win.... ROFL

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

And this is posted here because...? Have a little too much toddy Peter :-) ?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Because it's the general disscussion area.And it's in good humor and linking to the message of the timely market porduct on the front page of Avsim talking up the Mustang as being the most recognized piston aricraft of all time.And your point was to suugest I'm drunk!As a matter of fact I hate getting drunk and only ever have 1 beer max and I never get drunk. So no, not had too much to drink.LOL

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So that was you behaving sober one night after the other at the Blackpool FS show last year :-beerchugActually, it didn't occur to me you may have typed the original post whilst being slightly ######, I was worried you may have had a stroke ;-)Of course, you're quite right about the Spitfire being he most recognized, though I always feel sorry for the poor old Hawker Hurricane as it was of course this that won the Battle of Britain and not the fabled Spitfire.As for the 51st State thing, well all I can say is "bollocks to that". I live in England - not the UK, not Europe and certainly part of the USA!! Mind you, the USA could always come back to being part of the British Empire; it's be like having a bigger version of the Isle of Wight ;-)Dreamfleet Project ManagerGreatest Airliners - DC-8Greatest Airliners - 727 Whisperjethttp://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...BANNER_PAUL.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

OK Peter. I missed part about the P51D in the "Shockwave advertisement". But, I never suggested you were drunk. Too much toddy is, indeed, not the same as being drunk. I tell my wife this all the time :-) .Doug

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This sounds like Mustang envy to me. Ha ha, ho, ho.Cheers,Todd

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

>The North American P-51D Mustang has emerged as an icon, and>is by far the most widely recognized piston fighter ever>produced.>>Now to an American maybe it's the most recognized airplane>ever.I have to disagree with you unless you are being strict on "type". Interceptor, escort, close air support...But if you are talking light war aircraft with dog fight capabilities, than I would have to say the Stuka is by far the most recognizable and feared aircraft everywhere on this planet of all time.If we are talking famous vintage aircraft associated with the second world war, than the DC3 win hands down, followed closely by the B17.The Mustang is no where near as famous as the others outside the US, and the Spit was not the only famous AC from England; the Hawker and Masquito were as arguably recognazable (the Mustangs real fame came late in the war due to the drop tanks and extended range for escort duty).The problem here too is you're a bit Euro/Amerocentric. This is only talking about the European Theatre. Lets bring the Pacific War into the picture with the Zero and the Thunderbolt, later the Corsair and Lightning....If were are not limiting it to the second world war, then the most famous AC IMHO is likely the Sopwith Camel and Fokker Tri-plane of the Red Baron. Who has not heard of the Red Baron? There were trading cards made of the Red Baron in the west DURING the war because he was so popular. And it is true, a Mustang does look like a low wing Cessna when in flight and seen from the ground. Only the sound gives it away. :)CheersShad

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this