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I downloaded the cessna citation 2 and I am very disappointed. In virtual cockpit mode it is a struggle to read any of the gauges, i have to zoom in to .95 just to be able to read it. I don't know if this is made worse because of the bad shimmering I get in fsx, but it doesn't seem to matter with the standard fsx aircraft reading their gauges. Has anyone else bought this addon and experienced the same issues?

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Hi,No problem with VC here. No shimmering in neither the VC or 2D. Might be a graphics settings problem. I've Anisotropic set and AA checked in the FSX graphics. High resolution 3-D virtual cockpit is checked. On my nVIDIA 8800GTX card I've set AF to program controlled and AA to Enhance program settings.I've posted about two other issues on the Eaglesoft forum:1. In the 2D panel the left forward view doesn't work ok. Right forward is ok, but not the left forward.2. The landing lights are hardly visible.Do you have any problem with the left forward view in 2D or the landing lights?Ulf B :-)

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>I downloaded the cessna citation 2 and I am very>disappointed. In virtual cockpit mode it is a struggle to>read any of the gauges, i have to zoom in to .95 just to be>able to read it. I don't know if this is made worse because>of the bad shimmering I get in fsx, but it doesn't seem to>matter with the standard fsx aircraft reading their gauges. >Has anyone else bought this addon and experienced the same>issues? I'm extremely disappointed that you apparently haven't registered at our support forums to seek answers directly from us - the developers.As "Ulf B." will attest, he received an answer to his questions/concerns within short order, after posting on our support forum... ;)More to the point though, why would any person expect to be able to "read" ANY vendor's VC gauges at extreme zoom? It should be obvious that the fewer pixels there are available with which to render an image, resolution will suffer...Finally, if you are truly unhappy and unwilling to ask for help or advice directly from Eaglesoft, might I respectully suggest that you avail yourself of our extremenly liberal, thirty-day, money back guarantee?

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>As "Ulf B." will attest, he received an answer to his>questions/concerns within short order, after posting on our>support forum... ;)Yepp! Excellent support :-)Ulf B

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Bill,Given that post, you need to replace the "note" in your signature and specifically state that you are associated with the EagleSoft team, so that there is no confusion in the future as to your affiliation(s). And I would also suggest that a reader here should not have to be "registered" elsewhere to get assistance from their fellow readers here - note that I did not say "vendor". I won't even get into your "extremely disappointed" statement... and you do not want to go there either.

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Tom, I like your style. You got it exactly right.There is a line here and I see it clearly, wish others would too. I love Eaglesoft's products and service. Ron and company are top notch. However, this is a user forum and community.Regards,

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>Bill,>>Given that post, you need to replace the "note" in your>signature and specifically state that you are associated with>the EagleSoft team, so that there is no confusion in the>future as to your affiliation(s)."NOTE: Unless explicitly stated otherwise..."Whatever has become of the "Trivium: Logic, Grammar and Rhetoric?"I should think that the extremely precise wording of my post meets the test of the "otherwise" exception clause as written.If you bought a new Cadillac Escalade, would you go to the dealer for problem resolution, or would you first write to "click & clack" at http:www.cartalk.com and hope it got published in Tom and Ray's weekly column?I'm "extremely disappointed" in many things, Tom. I just don't feel that it's necessary or prudent for me to post about them publically. Let's not go there, either.

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>I downloaded the cessna citation 2 and I am very>disappointed. In virtual cockpit mode it is a struggle to>read any of the gauges, i have to zoom in to .95 just to be>able to read it. I don't know if this is made worse because>of the bad shimmering I get in fsx, but it doesn't seem to>matter with the standard fsx aircraft reading their gauges. >Has anyone else bought this addon and experienced the same>issues? >ES text on the older models was always lacking whether on the gauges or the panel. However, I do like their work and have a few of their aircraft.I have the Liberty for FSX and all text is ok. But it does eat up some frames. lol

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Rhetoric means speech adapted to a given audience, strictly speaking the art of persuasion. So whatever happened to your rhetoric? Oh yeah, you're just blowing hot air.

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>I downloaded the cessna citation 2 and I am very>disappointed. In virtual cockpit mode it is a struggle to>read any of the gauges, i have to zoom in to .95 just to be>able to read it. I don't know if this is made worse because>of the bad shimmering I get in fsx, but it doesn't seem to>matter with the standard fsx aircraft reading their gauges. >Has anyone else bought this addon and experienced the same>issues? >If you are using Anistropic filtering in the FSX Options along with FSAA, then try BiLinear.

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>Wow Bill, you just made a ___ of yourself.It certainly wouldn't be the first time, nor is it likely to be the last. While I'll admit that my major in philosophy is quite dusty, I stand by my definition. After all, I used the term, and terms mean what I intended them to mean; not what some other pedant decides they mean... ;)At the very least, I try to post useful information, and don't indulge in "hit-and-run one line cheap shots..."As for the question of hi-res screenshots, folks who check the forums at Eaglesoft will see some posted as 'stickies' at the top of the appropriate forum. No commercial developer is allowed to post screenshots in ANY AVSIM forum, so folks will just have to register and look where they are allowed... :-beerchug

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Obfuscation Bill. Any message you post in future must be caveatted with a signature that clearly denotes you as a member of the Eaglesoft team. I expect that to happen immediately. Private opinion or otherwise, all deserve to know who and what you are affiliated with. Full disclosure and all that good stuff.

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Did you mean "...can't share or ask..."? - Doug

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Actually it was you who attempted to be pedantic, or something close, when you said: "Whatever has become of the 'Trivium: Logic, Grammar and Rhetoric?'"I was pointing out - giving as much detail to be very clear in response to your "it means nothing of the sort" bs and questioning my precision after all - that your insult of someone else's intelligence had no basis. And I did say that I didn't have a Ph.D, a fact made plain by my need to edit my post and check references to make sure I had portrayed things accurately.Regardless, terms don't just mean what you mean them to mean.

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>I downloaded the cessna citation 2 and I am very>disappointed. In virtual cockpit mode it is a struggle to>read any of the gauges, i have to zoom in to .95 just to be>able to read it. I don't know if this is made worse because>of the bad shimmering I get in fsx, but it doesn't seem to>matter with the standard fsx aircraft reading their gauges. >Has anyone else bought this addon and experienced the same>issues? >Shreck, as far as we know, no one else is reporting the issues that you are. The post below yours reports the exact opposite as a matter of fact.Note: Any developer worth their salt maintains support forums for its products simply because they know the product inside out.Consider the fact that ours are available to any customer 24/7 and we probably could have answered had you bothered to register....Note: While public user forums are sometimes helpful, they cannot offer, and indeed never will offer the level of support that can be obtained by membership in a specific developers forum.:-)At any rate, if we are unable to help then we are pleased to offer a 30 refund policy for those who are dissatisfied.EDIT: Robert has requested a refund and has been provided the proper information for said refund:-)Hope this helps.:-)

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>Rhetoric means speech adapted to a given audience, strictly>speaking the art of persuasion. So whatever happened to your>rhetoric? Oh yeah, you're just blowing hot air.Actually, it means nothing of the sort, at least not in the classical sense of the "Trivium." (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetoric )But then, why expect precision from a mere sophist (in the contemporary usage)? (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophist )

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>Obfuscation Bill. Any message you post in future must be>caveatted with a signature that clearly denotes you as a>member of the Eaglesoft team. I expect that to happen>immediately. Private opinion or otherwise, all deserve to know>who and what you are affiliated with. Full disclosure and all>that good stuff.That is a reasonable request for those posts where I AM responding as a member of Eaglesoft, which are - quite frankly - extremely rare. For those instances I'll be sure to have an appropriate signature appended.

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Bill, this is not a negotiation. Your signature MUST state that you are affiliated with Eaglesoft, just as Ron's does. No matter the topic, readers will have no doubt your affiliation and your potential bias on whatever subject may be under discussion at the time. Full disclosure.

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Wow Bill, you just made a ___ of yourself.Quoting from that wikipedia article you cite dealing with the classical trivium: "rhetoric concerned itself with persuasion in public and political settings such as assemblies and courts of law." So in the classical sense - really senses - which you pretend to understand, there actually is no rhetoric here, since, first sophistically, this is not an assembly (like the Athenian Ekklesia), nor a court of law (like the Heliaia). This is more like a public square, and you certainly are not orating, nor engaging Socratically, with the platonic, anti-sophist rhetoric that stimulates the public or private audience toward true knowledge (Phaedrus). But, in a wider yet still strict, i.e. Aristotelian, sense (appropriate since classical democracy doesn't work well outside of a polis-sized state), rhetoric means the art of persuasion, which you aren't exhibiting in your tactless posts, so don't lecture people.And please don't throw around the term sophist to try and sound smart. It isn't working. This is one area I can safely say I understand fairly well from my education, though I'm no Ph.D. You need a history lesson, some Platonic dialogues and books, not just wikipedia, which I'm not putting down by the way.

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> Did you mean "...can't share or ask..."? - DougJa dat bedoelde ik ;-) dankjewel :-)Andr

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I wish developers would post more pictures so we could see what we are going to pay for.Eaglesoft and FSD are both stingy with screenies.I had alot of problems with the fs9 citation vr pit since I could not read anything.Now Im running 1920 by 1200 so Im going to wait and see.Tell ya what Eaglesoft. Post some good vc shots and maybe I will buy it.

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>Tom, I like your style. You got it exactly right.>>There is a line here and I see it clearly, wish others would>too. I love Eaglesoft's products and service. Ron and company>are top notch. However, this is a user forum and community.>>>Regards,>Yep that is the case and if we can share or ask advise here from fellow simmers I'm the first to be out of here...Cheers,Andr

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I second JimJam's point - I was (and still am) quite interested in buying this product but will have to wait for a review as the screenies on the Eaglesoft site are not of the quality and volume I would need to make a final decision.This is not just an issue for Eaglesoft, however - many developers fail to take full advantage of the possibilities when it comes to using screenies to market their product. An example of an excellent setup is that in place at the RealAir Simulations site - a quick run through their VC screenies, after reading about the SF260 here, and I hit the buy button without hesitation. Glad I did - looking like my best payware purchase yet. Have set aside 4 hours this afternoon for a proper flight with it ;-)Andrew

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Say, does anybody know how to re-scale autogen objects in FSX? The trees are too big for my taste. Thanks everybody and yes I am trying to highjack this thread! :}

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>Say, does anybody know how to re-scale autogen objects in>FSX? The trees are too big for my taste. Thanks everybody>and yes I am trying to highjack this thread! :}Ha Ha, glad someone hijacked it:-)If anyone noticed the original poster has the information needed for his refund and should be a happy camper soon.As for the debate on the relative merits of nuance, and the sublties of semantics as it relates to ones self actualization and/or self evaluation of an individuals intelligence quotiant when taken as whole...I hope this thread dies soon:-) :-)Hope this helps:-)

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