October 10, 20223 yr I got the HondaJet. I always bounce it. The manual says to only lightly flair. Is landing a jet different than landing a prop plane. Any advice?
October 10, 20223 yr The answer to your question can be yes,or no, or maybe, depending on the particular aircraft being compared. Having flown various types in both categories, I found each aircraft had its own particular characteristics. The one common factor is that good landings are more likely, following a good approach. The main requirements there, are good speed control, avoiding large or sudden power changes, while maintaining the correct rate of descent. Achieving the right speed over the threshold is always helpful, which usually means tapering the speed steadily over the latter part of the approach, keeping the aircraft in the right attitude, not too nose high or nose low. The tendency to bounce, or float, will vary from aircraft to aircraft, and also according to flap settings. I am not familiar with the Honda jet, but some aircraft require to be flown onto the runway, rather than rounding out prior to touchdown. This is especially the case with many high performance aircraft. Whereas others, with lower wing loading, are flared as the power is reduced. Common causes of bouncing are too high rate of descent, or crossing the threshold hot and high, then chopping the power while making excessive attitude changes to get onto the runway. Both are best avoided by making a good approach. And getting lots of practice. Edited October 10, 20223 yr by Biggles2010 John B
October 10, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, carbonbasedlifeform said: I got the HondaJet. I always bounce it. The manual says to only lightly flair. Is landing a jet different than landing a prop plane. Any advice? The Hjet landing technique is to keep the speed up until touchdown. You have speed brakes to help you slow after touchdown. For my short final, under 500 ft AGL, I maintain an approach speeed of 115 to 120 knots IAS, shallow my rate of descent, and cut the throttles just before crossing the fence. If I flare at all it is very slight. Otherwise I float or land with the nosewheel off the ground for too long, especially after MSFS SU10. I recommend doing some touch-and-gos from 500 to 1,000 ft AGL to practice. Also note that the right GTS (Garmin touch pad) in the Hjet has a set of PERF screens where you can enter your payload and fuel load information. The GTS will then allow you to pull calculated VREF speeds for takeoff and landing. The GTS should confirm an approach speed or VAPP somewhere in the 107 to 112 knot range. That is your final approach speed. The landing REF speeds will confirm a VREF speed in the 101 to 107 knot range. That is your over-the-fence speed. With the current wind gusts and buffeting induced in MSFS SU10 I have bumped up my Hjet VAPP and VREF speeds, each by about 5 knots. That has made a lot of difference. Edited October 11, 20223 yr by fppilot Frank Patton Corsair 5000D Airflow Case; MSI B650 Tomahawk MOB; Ryzen 7 7800 X3D CPU; ASUS RTX 4080 Super; NZXT 360mm liquid cooler; Corsair Vengeance 64GB DDR5 4800 MHz RAM; RMX850X Gold PSU;; ASUS VG289 4K 27" Display; Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo, Crosswind 3's w/dampener. Former USAF meteorologist & ground weather school instructor. AOPA Member #07379126 "I will never put my name on a product that does not have in it the best that is in me." - John Deere
October 11, 20223 yr Agreed practiced touch and go's are mandatory for folks inexperienced with the Hjet. Things got really fast paced and nervous for me trying to land her at TVSC.😅 Asus Maximus X Hero Z370/ Windows 10 MSI Gaming X 1080Ti (2100 mhz OC Watercooled) 8700k (4.7ghz OC Watercooled) 32GB DDR4 3000 Ram 500GB SAMSUNG 860 EVO SERIES SSD M.2
October 11, 20223 yr Author 18 hours ago, fppilot said: The Hjet landing technique is to keep the speed up until touchdown. You have speed brakes to help you slow after touchdown. For my short final, under 500 ft AGL, I maintain an approach speeed of 115 to 120 knots IAS, shallow my rate of descent, and cut the throttles just before crossing the fence. If I flare at all it is very slight. Otherwise I float or land with the nosewheel off the ground for two long, especially after MSFS SU10. I recommend doing some touch-and-gos from 500 to 1,000 ft AGL to practice. Also note that the right GTS (Garmin touch pad) in the Hjet has a set of PERF screens where you can enter your payload and fuel load information. The GTS will then allow you to pull calculated VREF speeds for takeoff and landing. The GTS should confirm an approach speed or VAPP somewhere in the 107 to 112 knot range. That is your final approach speed. The landing REF speeds will confirm a VREF speed in the 101 to 107 knot range. That is your over-the-fence speed. With the current wind gusts and buffeting induced in MSFS SU10 I have bumped up my Hjet VAPP and VREF speeds, each by about 5 knots. That has made a lot of difference. Thanks that helped.
October 11, 20223 yr 21 hours ago, carbonbasedlifeform said: I got the HondaJet. I always bounce it. The manual says to only lightly flair. Is landing a jet different than landing a prop plane. Any advice? You answered your own question. You stall-flair most props, you fly onto the runway most jets (especially smaller jets). For transparency: I'm a community mentor at the BATC discord. However, I do not get paid for it in any way.
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