6 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

Seriously? Wow, that puts an interesting perspective on your frequent praise of XP12’s visuals…😅

He's just messing with ya, of course it does.

Edited December 17, 20223 yr by mSparks

2 minutes ago, brinx said:

 

@mSparks Submitted does not mean shipping with xplane. Anyone can submit a modified airport and it says nothing about the quality of the submitted airport. I submitted one a few years back, but it is not part of xplane.

indeed, but there are still that many available, they just picked the best of the duplicates and bundle them with the sim so you dont have to when you need to land out of flight plan, otherwise you gonna be spending more time wading through scenery and burning cash on payware than you do actually in the sim.....

11 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Sorry, yeah, more like 50k or 60k now

 

That's user submitted airports, NOT handcrafted by the developer. If you include MSFS user submitted airports you're going to have a lot more airports for MSFS too, even though probably not quite as many since MSFS hasn't been around for as long as XP.

You seriously take the number of MSFS stock developer airports and compare that with the number of XP community submitted airports to argue that MSFS has less hand crafted airports and is thereby inferior. Apples and bananas on kinder garden level.

You're just being deliberately dense again in order to defend XP to the moon and back and I'm surprised the mods never seemed to care about this low effort trolling.

4 minutes ago, Nixoq said:

You seriously take the number of MSFS stock developer airports and compare that with the number of XP community submitted airports

Why should I not compare stock xplane airports with stock msfs airports? thats the whole point of xplanes scenery gateway is keeping the stock airports current and to a high standard.

We've all seen the quality of the AI airports in msfs, no one - not even microsoft or asobo - takes them seriously...

 

Edited December 17, 20223 yr by mSparks

20 minutes ago, mSparks said:

He's just messing with ya, of course it does.

What’s the radius of those shadows?

2 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

What’s the radius of those shadows?

whatever you set the dataref to. default high quality is for about as far as you can see them in VR which is good for me. you can turn them up further if less than 120fps is something you can stomach.

Edited December 17, 20223 yr by mSparks

27 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Why should I not compare stock xplane airports with stock msfs airports? thats the whole point of xplanes scenery gateway is keeping the stock airports current and to a high standard.

Because it's apples and oranges (not bananas, mind you). On one hand you use a (completely wrong) number of developer airports and on the other content created by a community of a hundred thousand+ people.

You literally just admitted in another reply they don't all come with XP but that there are "still that many available", i.e. community addons, just like MSFS community addons.

27 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Why should I not compare stock xplane airports with stock msfs airports? thats the whole point of xplanes scenery gateway is keeping the stock airports current and to a high standard.

We've all seen the quality of the AI airports in msfs, no one - not even microsoft or asobo - takes them seriously...

Nice edit to steer your argument in yet another direction. You're talking about MSFS stock hand crafted airports, then use XP community airports and now talk about AI created airports which is obviously something entirely unrelated to your own point.

Edited December 17, 20223 yr by Nixoq

10 minutes ago, Nixoq said:

Because it's apples and oranges (not bananas, mind you). On one hand you use a (completely wrong) number of developer airports and on the other content created by a community of a hundred thousand+ people.

That's how the scenery gateway works dude.

hundred thousand (actually 25k by the end of 2021) registered scenery artists, have submitted ~50k versions of some ~16k different airports.

The best/most up to date of which (by decree of the gateway mods) are included in the sim by default/stock.

Last merge was XP12 RC5, a week or so ago, which (among other things) distributed the latest versions of airports to users (depending on what areas of scenery they had installed)

Edited December 17, 20223 yr by mSparks

19 minutes ago, mSparks said:

The best/most up to date of which (by decree of the gateway mods) are included in the sim by default/stock.

I'm aware of how the scenery gateway works dude, and that is not the point. It's nice that XP includes some of them but that doesn't negate the fact it's community created while the airports in MSFS you're trying to argue with are developer created. Literally the only difference the gateway makes is that you don't have to install a community airport yourself while in MSFS you would have to. But you can still get all the community stuff for MSFS and pump it up to whatever thousand hand crafted airports.

In easy words: You're entirely ignoring that one can get the same thing in MSFS as in XP just because the logistics are different.

You also just admitted again the the XP number you're using is not only way off but that it refers to updated versions of the same airports whose number is way lower.

Edited December 17, 20223 yr by Nixoq

7 minutes ago, Nixoq said:

but that doesn't negate the fact it's community created while the airports in MSFS you're trying to argue with are developer created.

Yes... they were created by different people.... and that matters in the comparison because...I dont know.. reasons I guess?

Has the MSFS list changed since

?

Edited December 17, 20223 yr by mSparks

30 minutes ago, mSparks said:

The best/most up to date of which (by decree of the gateway mods) are included in the sim by default/stock.

So can the ones that aren't included in the sim be downloaded and installed from the gateway?

Just now, mSparks said:

Yes... they were created by different people.... and that matters because...I dont know.. reasons I guess?

It matters because you were trying to claim XP has 30000 hand crafted airports while MSFS only has 30, completely sweeping under the table that those are community created and MSFS relatively speaking has the same amount of community created airports.

3 minutes ago, FishBowlMan said:

So can the ones that aren't included in the sim be downloaded and installed from the gateway?

yes.

https://gateway.x-plane.com/

but actually for flight planning Id recommend

https://airports4xp.info/

26 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Has the MSFS list changed since

FYI yes, it has. You're still comparing apples and oranges, though - developer and community airports. You're getting too hung up on the semantics of 'stock'. It's nice that XP includes some of the community stuff and, in fact, that's something I'd like to have for MSFS as well, but it's still not the same as the number of MSFS "hand crafted" airports you keep comparing it to while acting like the whole of sites like flightsim.to etc. and their content don't exist. I think it's pretty easy to see the point here and why the argument is disingenuous.

22 minutes ago, Nixoq said:

FYI yes, it has. You're still comparing apples and oranges, though - developer and community airports. You're getting too hung up on the semantics of 'stock'. It's nice that XP includes some of the community stuff and, in fact, that's something I'd like to have for MSFS as well, but it's still not the same as the number of MSFS "hand crafted" airports you keep comparing it to while acting like the whole of sites like flightsim.to etc. and their content don't exist. I think it's pretty easy to see the point here and why the argument is disingenuous.

I think its a bit disingenuous to imply wasting hours browsing flightsim.to downloading then deleting countless versions of airports is in anyway representitive of including it all by default, to at least if not higher quality than anything ms has to offer - default or otherwise.

But hey, if that's how you want to spend your time instead of in the cockpit then msfs definately is the best sim for you 🤷‍♂️