I was looking to finally try learning to fly an Airbus, I was looking at FSLabs planes but I noticed that in the descriptions it specifically says they are compatible with P3Dv5.0, 5.1 and 5.2 but doesn't mention P3Dv5.3 so are they not compatible with v5.3?

I also wanted to ask about the Aerosoft 318/319 and 320/321 packages, are they any good? Are they worth the price? 'm assuming FSLabs are better from what I've read so far, anyone correct me if I'm wrong.  I always prefer to have the best if possible but if the Aerosoft planes are decent enough, I'm okay with that.

FSLabs aircraft are compatible with P3Dv5.3.

I have all the airbus FSlab and Aerosoft. If you want the best of the best it's FsLab! No contest!
Aerosoft are nice but they don't compare to FsLab in terms of simulation depth, performance and so on...

That said, the price range is not at all the same. In the end you get what you pay for.

Richard.

55 minutes ago, DrumsArt said:

FSLabs aircraft are compatible with P3Dv5.3.

I have all the airbus FSlab and Aerosoft. If you want the best of the best it's FsLab! No contest!
Aerosoft are nice but they don't compare to FsLab in terms of simulation depth, performance and so on...

That said, the price range is not at all the same. In the end you get what you pay for.

Richard.

Thanks, good to know it works.  Very true, when it comes to 3rd party aircraft, normally you do get what you pay for in most cases.

Though I think some high quality addons are overpriced, like the PMDG 747 is $140 for example. Being a huge fan of the 747 I would love to own it but I have a very hard time justifying that price. I have a beautiful study level 747 for X-Plane 11/12 that is probably just as good (if not better) but less than half the price.  

If you have XP11/12 then I would recommanded Toliss buses, it's overall cheaper, and I just feel it works better in many ways, I have parked my FSL A319 and 320 for a year and bought all Toliss line and fly with thm, ofc one of the main reason for me is Toliss have 319W with B7 engine for high land operation. so your mileage might different.

Edited March 6, 20233 yr by C2615

1 hour ago, C2615 said:

If you have XP11/12 then I would recommanded Toliss buses, it's overall cheaper, and I just feel it works better in many ways, I have parked my FSL A319 and 320 for a year and bought all Toliss line and fly with thm, ofc one of the main reason for me is Toliss have 319W with B7 engine for high land operation. so your mileage might different.

Yeah I was also considering the Toliss Airbus's, maybe I'll start with that one.  I would like to have one for P3D too though.  Sometimes I'm in the mood to fly X-Plane and other times I prefer P3D for different reasons.  One thing I love about P3D over X-Plane 11/12 is the draw distance in P3D is amazing, I feel like I can see forever into the distance where with X-Plane I kind of get that feeling like I'm flying in a bubble.  X-Plane 12 is a little better than X-Plane 11 but I still get that feeling.  In P3D I can see details in the far distance that I can't in X-Plane, it feels like I can see endlessly.  The far distant horizon in X-Plane looks blurry if you look far off int the horizon.  I love both simulators though despite their flaws.

Lol I was just checking out the prices of the FSLabs planes and Wow I guess the PMDG isn't the only plane that's so expensive for P3D.  I also noticed it said the 319 X is an expansion package for the 320 X so I would have to buy them both for a total of about $210.  That's kind of lame they did it that way.  I only wanted to start with a 319.  I would rather get the PMDG 747 if I'm spending that much.

Edited March 6, 20233 yr by Kalnon

Bear in mind that with the PMDG 747 you get multiple variants for the $140: the 400 Pax, 400F, 400BCF all with PW, RR, and GE engines, the 400ERF with GE and PW, and the 400D and 400ER with GE only (all as per what existed in real life).

 

If you think about it that way it's slightly better value than it 1st appears, unlike so many addons these days that require you to pay extra for other variants. The 747-8i/8F is extra, of course.

 

Regarding the Airbuses, one thing to consider is maybe the FSLA320 fo P3D and one of the other variants in XP12, the Toliss A319 or A321/NEO. That way you can have multiple variants in different sims, depending on your mood.

4 hours ago, DAH4062 said:

Bear in mind that with the PMDG 747 you get multiple variants for the $140: the 400 Pax, 400F, 400BCF all with PW, RR, and GE engines, the 400ERF with GE and PW, and the 400D and 400ER with GE only (all as per what existed in real life).

 

If you think about it that way it's slightly better value than it 1st appears, unlike so many addons these days that require you to pay extra for other variants. The 747-8i/8F is extra, of course.

 

Regarding the Airbuses, one thing to consider is maybe the FSLA320 fo P3D and one of the other variants in XP12, the Toliss A319 or A321/NEO. That way you can have multiple variants in different sims, depending on your mood.

I didn't realize the 747 came with so many variants, good to know and it does make it more worth it.  The more I learn about it the more I want it now.  I think maybe I will take your advice on the Airbus's and get one of each.  Unfortunately I can only afford one aircraft atm, now the agonizing decision awaits, which one to get first... 😁

Hi,

One other note to add, the aerosoft busses, although ok, are not being supported or updated anymore, whereas the fsl busses are still being supported.

I have both and only fly the FSL a320x & SL versions now. Youtube is great if you want to see reviews of both.

 

If you also have MSFS, the best way to learn the bus is the FBW. It is a really good plane, has great documentation and is free.

Then when you "graduate" then consider some of the other paid options (FENIX, FSLabs, ToLiss).

5 hours ago, Brianwhtn43 said:

Hi,

One other note to add, the aerosoft busses, although ok, are not being supported or updated anymore, whereas the fsl busses are still being supported.

I have both and only fly the FSL a320x & SL versions now. Youtube is great if you want to see reviews of both.

 

Thanks for the tip, I didn't know that the Aerosoft planes are no longer supported.  I was only considering the Aerosoft planes because I own the CRJ Professional package and I'm really enjoy them.  I used to love flying the old FSX default CRJ 700 more than any other default FSX airliner back in the day.  I always wanted a good CRJ 700 to fly and the Aerosoft CRJ's are the only quality CRJ's I know of for P3D.  

1 minute ago, level7 said:

If you also have MSFS, the best way to learn the bus is the FBW. It is a really good plane, has great documentation and is free.

Then when you "graduate" then consider some of the other paid options (FENIX, FSLabs, ToLiss).

I do have it but I don't use it much.  I have to admit it is extremely beautiful flying in MSFS but I hate the flight modeling.  Every aircraft I tried has an arcade-like feel to it, like I'm flying toys, not real airplanes.  I never tried the Airbus though.  I've even tried expensive 3rd party planes and and they don't feel any better so I've kind of given up on MSFS except when I just really want to see nice scenery don't care about the flight modeling.

Check out this Airbus A320 for X-Plane 12 I found, it's only $12 simMarket: A320 FOR X-PLANE 12 😂

7 hours ago, Kalnon said:

I do have it but I don't use it much.  I have to admit it is extremely beautiful flying in MSFS but I hate the flight modeling.  Every aircraft I tried has an arcade-like feel to it, like I'm flying toys, not real airplanes.  I never tried the Airbus though.  I've even tried expensive 3rd party planes and and they don't feel any better so I've kind of given up on MSFS except when I just really want to see nice scenery don't care about the flight modeling.

The arcade-feel is mostly due to the response-curves of the joystick axis, which is per default a bit too "brutal" (direct) compared to other sims. Once the curves are soften a bit, the feeling becomes much more familiar again. I have made quite a lot of tests and I have yet to see any arcadish behavior in MSFS.

Now, concerning the Airbus, keep in mind that the FBW A320 in MSFS is both very advanced AND freeware, so I would strongly advise you to try that one first, before spending any money anywhere. The new default A310 by IniBuilds is also quite nice but I haven't investigated that one yet. Finally, the FBW installer program also provides a mod for the default 747 to drastically improve its realism. That might be enjoyable as well, in case you get tired of Airbus and need a bit of Boeing to change your mind 🙂

17 minutes ago, Daube said:

The arcade-feel is mostly due to the response-curves of the joystick axis, which is per default a bit too "brutal" (direct) compared to other sims. Once the curves are soften a bit, the feeling becomes much more familiar again. I have made quite a lot of tests and I have yet to see any arcadish behavior in MSFS.

Now, concerning the Airbus, keep in mind that the FBW A320 in MSFS is both very advanced AND freeware, so I would strongly advise you to try that one first, before spending any money anywhere. The new default A310 by IniBuilds is also quite nice but I haven't investigated that one yet. Finally, the FBW installer program also provides a mod for the default 747 to drastically improve its realism. That might be enjoyable as well, in case you get tired of Airbus and need a bit of Boeing to change your mind 🙂

Haha I do enjoy flying all Boeing aircraft and I've flown several different Boeing planes including the Zibo 737 for X-Plane, a 737-200, 747-800, 767 and a 777 all study level X-Plane aircraft.  I don't have any Boeing planes yet for P3D but I think the 747-400 by PMDG may be my first.  I finally just decided to switch to the dark side and try an Airbus for once.  The only one I ever flew up to this moment is the default FSX A319, in fact I did load it up the other day for the first time in years just for the fun of it 😀

I have tinkered with the response curves a little and your right, it does help to some degree.  Maybe I should mess around with that more.  Another thing I notice planes in MSFS feel a little more realistic when I fly planes with my joystick than with my really expensive yoke, I have a Honeycomb Alpha.  Maybe I just need to find the sweet spot to get them both to get a better feel.  I think there's other issues as well, like stall behavior is a little strange and another thing, when I fly any aircraft in MSFS I don't feel that sense of inertia and the sense of the weight of the aircraft like I feel in other sims, that's what I meant when I said they feel like toys.  I'll give the MSFS Airbus a shot though, why not, like you said, I already own it.

I see exactly what you mean about the planes flying like toys, and I shared the same feeling at first. But on the other hand, it was the first time I could feel similar "shakes" as I did IRL back when I was skydiving from Pilatus PC-6 on sunny summer days. I still remember, sometimes the plane was shaking so violently that most of us stopped talking and started fastening the googles, helmets etc... to be ready to jump out any time 😄 In MSFS was the first time I could see something comparable, at least visually, to what I felt in these planes. 

To get back on the Airbuses, the default FSX one was an A321, not a A319 😉 And the modeling of its FBW system was pretty poor, as far as I remember, so I wouldn't waste too much efforts in that one. For the MSFS one, don't forget to download and install the "FBW" mod for it: https://flybywiresim.com/. You download their application, which will then install the mod (both for the A320 and the B747) for you.

Concerning the Boeings, your experience with the many XPlane study level aircraft is probably way better than what you can currently get with the freeware Boeing mod, I think. I mean, that mod is great, especially since it's freeware, but I don't think it matches the addons you have been enjoying in XPlane until now. For the same reason, I do not think it would be worth it to spend your money on the PMDG Boeings on P3D. Of course the addons are great, probably the best ones in fact.... but I wonder if such an investment would really be justified in P3D, given the planes you already own in XPlane ? 😕